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SECRET 3 191 b1 KAK:rs KAPLAN : ..a man. But I couldn't understand why suddenly someone should come almost directly out of prison by suffering 27 years and speaks almost like an American fundamentalist. GUNDANG : Right. I also have uh the greatest respect for the man for the cause that he stands for. The cause for democracy, uh, freedom, uh, the franchise for all South Africans regardless of race, color and creed. I respect all that. Uh, as a South African, as a representative of the South African government, we do question his strategies in order to obtain that democracy he speaks of. And he speaks of a democracy where uh, he still speaks of, of nationalization in an age when so..uh, socialism is, is dead. It's just a matter of time before it's, it's buried. He still speaks of the UNT struggle when the pr. President DE KLERK speaks about peace and, and national reconciliation. And I have some, some questions as far as, uh, you know, I mean that is concerned with regard to Mr. MANDELA. KAPLAN: It is Unr to, to almost an identical period, the opening up of Soviet Union.' The opening up of Eastern Europe. The opening up of the wall. The opening up of practically anything. Even the situation in the Middle East which at this moment unr is also in a way and opening up. It's a UNT and he still doesn't realize that things have changed. GUNDANG: Right. I, I, I think for twenty...after having been CRET