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SECRET 5 b1 KAK:rs GUNDANG : Right. What I was concerned about was he, when asked about uh internal politics uh he request..uhm, stated that he does not want to interfer in the internal politics of the United States of America, especially the issue of race relations here. But then he request the whole world to interfer in the domestic politics of South Africa. You know there is a double standard there. KAPLAN: That's true. Let's interrupt briefly for an important message. (Pause) KAPLAN: RAFIK, let's talk about that at length. Because it is so very, very important. It is unbelievable that he doesn't realize, or maybe I don't realize it, that America is not South Africa. That the American black is not the South African black. That the aspirations of the American black are totally different from those of the African black. He seems to think that he's seeking out only money here but total allegiance by the American black so they can add some millions and millions and millions of faithful money givers and faithful fighters for the cause of the black in South Africa as if they could do it themselves very much better at home. GUNDANG: Right. In fact the ANc uh in.. internationalized apartheid, or the issue of apartheid, and it became everyone's business, and it really became the business of the American black pop..I mean population which after the civil SECRET