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i ry rirt i. a WES ro cae Ota atid * we 22 ox NY 100-161445 JERRY RUBIN: The struggle grew out of outrage but there was a strategybeause in the early 1960's we were a vocal minority and the media was uninterested in publishing the facts of war in Vietnam and we did plan activities that would get attention of the media to then influence and mobilize public opinion against the immoralities of the country. CAVETT: Was it worth it? JERRY RUBIN: Noneof us were worried at any time about breaking the lawbrause the law was immoral. CAVETT: Was there any guilt for what you did or caused? ABBIE HOFFMAN: Felt guilty for having to attack other people due to thein differences of ideals, but not for any actions in the/Sr'Sgainst the Government. CAVETT: How about the people in the movement who blew themselves up, any guil} about them? JERRY RUBIN: I don't feel any guilt because feeling guilty implies a lack of responsibility and I take responsibility for everything I did. The people in the movement took reponsibility for their action. No body did what they did on orders from an; hierarchy but acted because of their own personal motivations. There is a collective mass guilt in this country because ob zens in this country do not take responsibility/be ng evil in the way it oppresses black people, putting people in jail,and the war in Vietnam. CAVETT: Was their action at the Chicago trial cooly calculated? TOM HAYDEN: They were aware they were not in a normal situation, not a normal courtroom or Justice Departments referred to recently released FBI documents which set forth FBI program starting in 1968 for getting rid of the New Left Movement. They knew they were in the hands of an extra-legal operation that became Watergate. He stated 350 FBI agents worked on their indictment and 57 witnesses were called against them. Said we needed to go out and speak and mobilize the people and had to do it knowing we were going to be accused of illegal acts for doing just that. ~-h.