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SECRET 9 b1 (S) KAK:rs GUNDANG: (Cont.) the travel affinities, the travel differences, uh, but there, the lines are not that uh easily demarcated today. Uh, there is a fair amount of blurring and uh there is some uh cr..uh, mixing there. We have a lot of uh Zu..Zulus who are pro uh uNT and we have Zulus who are not pro UNT. KAPLAN: What do you think will be the action of the government? GUNDANG: With regard to? KAPLAN: With regard to his success/ failure or to his embarrassing the South African government. Uh talking about things that are of, shall we say of world importance and not of, of UNT importance. GUNDANG: It seems uh Mr., Mr. MANDELA is uh the deputy leader and a lot of people uh, if I can just add that unt realize that he is the deputy president of the African National Congress and not the president. The President is OLIVER TEMBO (phonetic). Uh, the African National Congress for all after UNr for all intents and purposes is a political party in South Africa. But they haven't registered as a political party because they still depend on handouts from abroad. ~And as a le..uh, important leader of a political organization to go abroad and make those statements, he makes 'em in his personal capacity and not as a representative of the government. KAPLAN: But unT thinks. He apparently thinks that he is the elected leader of all the blacks in SECRET