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* Mr. STANTON, So the fact of the matter is that the FBI cannot use that as a basis legally breaking and entering an inhabited tat as @ basis for i! egany dwelling. Los ; Mr. Wannau. 1 know of no law which would permit.the FBI to do that, Mr. Stanton. Then the FY haa been involved in illegal activitios? Me, Wannat. The FBI hus been involved in breaking und entering. Mr. Srawtox. Did they’ever acek the Attorney General’s permission, Prior te 1172, for breaking and entering ? Mr. Wannaus. Not to my knowledge, Mr. Srastoy, Who was the person responsible, prior to 1972, for approving a breaking and entering? Miz Wanwais. Theao were approved at the highest. leye] of the Bu- yeau, pormally the Director of the FART, Mr. Stanton, Then Mr, Hoover directed the activities. He did not seek approval from the Attorney General ! ; Mr. Wanxais. To my knowledge, he did not. Mr, Stanton, In other words, Mr. Hoover folt that he had the power to vioinio the law of a State or of this country! : Mr. Wannaus. Are you asking me whut Mr, Hoover's opinion wast Mr. Stanton, Yes; I am asking you if he approved illegal activities. Mr. Waxwnats. He approved the breaking and entering; yes, sir. _, Mr, Staxvox, Do you think, in terms of the U.S. Government, that for the purposes of the Burcau and of this Government the activities of the Bureau are going to be improved by virtue of the fact that we have had exp sure of sonie of the ifegal activities of the Bureau? In other words, do you feel that the examfnation of these publicly is going to be therapeutic for the Bureau? a EI IEY od ih ey lb te Afr. Wannae. I think they will be; yes, sir. Mr. Stason. Thank vou. Chairman Pree. Mr, Murphy. Mr. Murriy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. . Mr, Adams, one of the problems we have, I think, with the FBI is in regard to wiretapping. It is a practice that tlle FBY has not admitted to but about which we have some information that leads us to believe it went on in the past and I am wondering if it has been stopped. I am also interested in the question of reliable informants, We understand that the FBI will go into a town, say Chicago, where T am from, and they will get a local policoman or sone local police force to do wiretapping for them. They pass this information on to a strike force nade up of an FBI agent, Justice representative, IRS agent. Then, when they go to court and they are asked where the avi- dence came from, they can properly say they did not have anything todo withthe wiretap. —- Do you get any information that way that you clussify from re- Hable informants? Mr, Apasts. Not that particular situation. If the Chicago Police Department were engaged in illegal wiretaps and it came to our atten- tion. we would open an investigation under the interception-of-con- munication statute, hes | : | NE eee ee met ea mee “being cominitted, he has a duty to report it to the pro never reported in the last 3 or 4 years any illegal wiretap they found except to the customer whose line they found it on. They said they had no aluty to report it to the Fedoral authorities. . . la f am wondering what your interpretation of their position wou ate Avaws. You are talking abont the telenhone comnanrt Mr. Murer. T am talking about tho Illinois Beil Telephone Co., the only subsidiary of A.T. & T. which «does not report wiretapa to Federal authorities or any authorities. The rest of the system all does. Tam of the opinion that if a citizen sees a crime or knows of a crime . r authorities, Mr, Apams. Tam a little hesitant to comment on their testimony, not having read it or being familiar with the exact wording of the statement, Hut Tilo agree with you that when information comes to the attention of citizen—we urge this of anyone—this should be reported ty proper law enforcement authorities, fr, Musriry. Lot ie ask you a question, Mr. Adama. . There was an inordinate nwuber of ex-FBI agents working for ALT. & T. and its subsiciaries Uhroughout the country. Is there any purposeful connection there? ; Mr. Anams. No. 1 think you will find in any major seyrment of industry that former FUE officers: are often employed as security afieers, T think they have demonstrated their qualifications over the years, They do gravitate to good positions in private indnstry. But there is no concerted effort to penctrate or to control or dominate or do anything of this sort on the part of FBI agents collectively or individually. Mr. Morriy. When you are ssmmoned before a congressional com- mittee and queries are presented to you as to haw many wiretaps exist today in the Tnited Stat>~, was it a practice before the Director came down to testify. to send out a notification, “Take the wiretaps off for a, week or 2 so when T po to the committee I can testify that as of this day there are only 10 or only 4 domestic wiretans existing”? Mr. Anas, Absolutely not. I believe the information we furnished to this committee, and to ffie Senate committee staff, would clearly show by checking aguinst appropriations testimony, information of that type. There was no such activity. Mr—lloover frankly imposed ‘re- straints on wiretapping in the FRI—considerble restraints on wire tapping. Tn fact, some of the material we made availnble shows that he was one of the loudest voices urging some type of authority and npproyal in the Attorney General, not only of ours but other agencies. “Me. Murray. Allright, Tonly have 5 minutes. : Did the FBI ever get information that the IRS was conducting schools on wiretapping? _ Mr. Apaata. I'don’t recall whether wo had any such specific informa- tion, Mr. Murry. We had a former U.S. attorney tell us that he ac- Knowledued the TRS was conducting informal schools on wiretap. They bought the equipment and the Director of the IRS came in and to" the agonts, “TE you get caught, you are on your own; but, if cou "darth geod information, we will make a strong case out of it.” O5-bs Theme? ¥ el d ad . “ tos . -F anal