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Tg ee UEEeEny deing conducted by the FBI where a determination has been made within the FBI that that individual is a threat to the internal security, a current threat at the present time. It isa very small list, relatively small. It involves approximately 1,250 ‘ names at the present time. Mr. McCxorr. What is the longest time that a name has been on that list # Do you have names that have been on there for 30 or 40 years Mr. Avams. No, sir. The administrative index did not come into play until 1972. Prior to that time, we had the security index, which. was a listing which had a different purpose. Me, NicCromy. Does membership in the Socialist Workers Party just automatically put you on the index? ; Mr. Apame. No, sir, it does not. Mr, McCrorr. About how many members of that party would you have on tho dist ¢ Mr. Apama. I can give you that figure. I would prefer that any detailed description of targeta and individuals be done in executive session. Mr. McCrory. Have you already furnished that information to the ata : Ar. A.paaa, I do not know that we have had a request. Mr. McCroar. If not, would you furnish that? I would like to have. the number. T don’t have to know the names, Mr. Apama, Yea, siz, I have no objection to furnishing it to them. [The Bureau’s reply is included in its November 28, 1975, memoran- dum, and is printed on pages 1123-1197 of the appendixes. ] Mr, McCuony. You mentioned in your statement that you are not only interested in subversive activity which implied violence but also “undermining.” What is the difference between the violent overthrow of the United States and underinining the United States? Have you got two groups that you are interested in? Mr. Apaus. No, sir, they are both working toward the same end. It is all inherent in the same idea of activity with the intent or design to overthrow the Government of the United States or any subdivision by force and violence, Mr. McCrory, My time is up. Thank you very much. Chairman Prxe. Mr. Stanton. Mr. Srantox. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Wannall, has the FBI ever participated in burglaries in order to obtain information for their purposes of investigation? “~~ _ Mr. Waxnatt. [ think Mr, Kelley, at a news conference in July, acknowledged that the FBI had participated in surreptitious entries to obtuin information, — ’ Mr. Stanton. Were they illegal activities? Mr, Waxnais. I'm not in a position to render an opinion. The whole thing. as a matter of fact, is under study by the Department of Justice at this time. . Mr. Sraxton. Could you tell me, from 1945 until the present, how * many instances there were? Mr. Wanwat. We have made a very thorough study and hive interviewed numerous individuals who might have been knowledgo- We a BE A re TG apt ee an rr rr a Ae Maia fl { A ies SEL at AM ae eee veo " Me ea a oe ocetek Ten Ten ge rs ahonut Oat Borne of those {argets DTK. x6 Thave wovounted for anes “ein the neighborhood ‘of 249 entries, none.of which Sempect ngs os 4 f : + ty place since April of 1068. et ANTON. Since Aprilof 1981 Mr omestic a re VaeTON Do you know what illegal entry 1s under the law! ‘ reson awyer I think I understand what an illegal entry is; yes, = Ge Sea definition 2 ” N, ny of these fit that definil . . - ve Set ‘think in the be Tin teen tla comma a crime . Mr. ? L the vition, nt | rT ne Pros. Do you nee ‘what breaking and entering is under the State Inw of Maryland or Ohio? 4 . Me Fae yy you have to have the intent to comnut a crime to break and enter? Mr. WANNALL. I would say you probably do not have to have an in- it rime onthe premises, - . . nae gominos, Intent is not om important clement Tn other ii if Y d the noblest intent in the world, bu if you | VANN : ake y ) it, Mr. e Me. 3 ANTON. “hd like eo have your definition. T would like ta : know what a prominent person in the FBI thinks of brenking a | oat, WVANWALE. I ean agsure you there are no such circumstances oN Grantor. That is not the question. The question is, do you under- stand what breaking and entering is! ¥ oN es, . . xr Wilswox, Has the FIBI illegally entered premises to seck information? Mr. Waxnate. The FBI has entered premises without the knowl. | edge.of the owners of the premises for the purpose of seeking informa- FS row. In other words, they are paity of breaking and enter- A emanate ‘ean, am not going fo render an opinion. That ia i e artmen 3 time, . Fea eet intterl the TTustiee Department to place itself in a posi: tion, in the event of a national emergency, to take off the str ie re Oe ce hing an that ‘act that atlows the FBT to break and enter a dwellingt x t Seer oethed that is not justification for those illegal entries; in att cC- nh SS Waa Leer this Union; is that correct ? . 4 4