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( @ U@ WY 105-5999 MALCOLM x: Not having gone as far in scnool as Grocher JAMES FARMER, you'd have to break down the word demagogue for me. DURSO: I cniok you know what he mean’ though. MALCOLM 22: ‘9, I cnink that I would not say that JIM “ARMER is justified in referring to me or any black person wnose nacionalistic in his chirking as a demagogue. Mr. FARMER himself will probably be in tne Natio.alise canp berore 1964 is over. In fact, che failure of che civil rights movement in 1963 if the eivil rignis leaders were honest, why wney would have come over into vne Nazionalist camp a long time ago. DURSO: Yell, you're precicving that JAMES FARMER of CORE will be in the Nationalis: camp. IT cdon': know caccly wnat you mean by vhe Nactionalis» caap by sne end of 1964. MALCODL it: Sir, I chink thas mos. objective observers * sae pactal scruzsle in this country agree shaz 196-: will be far more explosive racially than 1263 ever dream: of being. There 1s 0 gimmiek chis year like the March on Washinglon =o serve aS @ vent to the fruscrations of Hesroes a..d because these gimmicks will have nad servecé tneir purpose or will have run tnemselves out chere will be nothing to contain the Neqroes in 1964 if they really begin 20 exploce <hrough dissatisfaction and disillusion- ners and I think at che end of tne year FARMER and some o2 those will tnen begin to see and adnic publicly tha. tneir way 1s just bankrup?. DURSO: T cnivit csnas brings us, MALCOLM, to some or “ne mos. concroversial of your viewpoinvs a.i tna: is you use che word explosive nere. You've also used the term active is self- Geferse and the idea appears to be thay you dont. so along wivn non-violence any more as }?