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HY 105-8999 DURSO: That puts you in the camp witn segregationists where ever they may be and against the national civil rignts leaders, Negro and white. MALCOLM 2: Well, i: is not to say against the national civil rizhts leaders. Most of the national civil rights leaders are becoming disenchanted witn sheir own efforts and their own achieve- mencs and I think that they themselves are ready to make a reappraisal of their strategy avd cneir objectives. DURSO: Well, I don't know because some of the most recent things they've said indicate the opposite. For example, WITNEY YOUNG of the Urban League has referred to you inelegantly ard you will pardon the expression as a Con guy exploiting the misery of vhe masses. JACKIE ROBINSON MALCOLM I: Lets ges co YOUNG first. WITNEY YOUNG has just beer offered one of those crumbs by the Adminis :ration in Washington, D.c. A big job, and usually when you find those Negroes in fronc of whose nose these fine jobs have been danzled, tney always willing to say the cype of things that WITNEY YOUNG is saying voday. DURSO: Well, JACKIE ROBINSON has called you a threat to integravion. MALCOLM i: JACKIE ROBINSON has just become part of Governor ROCKEFELLER's political machine and it is his job to make Negroes think that NELSON ROCKEFELLER is the Saviour who will lead us to the promised land of integration. DURSO: JAMES FARMER, as we said earlier, has called you a talented demagogue and I don't want you sO commen:s on the talent so much as the agenagogue.