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" 95 Investigation does it say that that agency should be forcing any educational institution to defend itself? Mr. Apams. I know of none. . Senator Hart of Colorado. You would say this is stepping beyond the bounds of your authority? . Mr. Apams. I would say—I’m not familiar with the total action of what was there, but just on the surface I don’t see any basis for it. Senator Hart of Colorado. It is my understanding that field officers participating in COINTELPRO activities were required to send results in status letters and in annus] reports. Is that correct! Mr. Abas. Yes. Senator Harr of Colorado. What kind of results generally were you looking for? What was considered success! Mr. Apacs. Well, it would be considered success, if in one instance an action was taken to create factionalism in the highest level of the Communist Party, and the results were that we were advised that the Communist Party influence declined appreciably as a direct: result of factionalism created at that level. That to us was a concrete result. We had other results that you get in various de, The above _ is an extremely favorable degree. We had others, I think one was alluded to yesterday. or today where a letter went out setting up marital strife on the part of someone. I don’t see any basis or justifica- tion for that. I think that is the other extreme. I think in the middle there were ones that fell into a different degree. The only thing that I feel is we had 3,000 actions recommended. I don’t know if the docu- ment shows whether this Antioch one was approved or not. I doubt that it was approved. Senator Harr of Colorado. I believe it was. We can document that. Mr. Apams. OK. Because there would be one. I would say that the judgment in approving is in question. But out of 3,000 recommended. the fact that 2,000 approved shows that there was some concern to try to keep these to a proper level, and I think the actual number of grossly improper activities fortunately is rather small, I think there are a lot in there. The whole program, we feel. should have been dis- continued, and we don’t have a program like it now, and we wouldn't institute a program like it now. Senator Harr of Colorado. It would be helpful to us if now or in ; the future you could recommend what steps we should take, both ss the committee and this Congress, to make sure that doesn’t happen, aside frora just the assurances we are being given here. Mr, Avan. Well, the main recommendation I make is that we don’t wind up on the point we have been on in the past years, that one time in our history Congress is saying we ought to be doing something to stop violence in the streets, murders, blowing up of buildings; and at another time they are saying you shouldn’t have done what you did, and that we make a mistake when we react and try to identify one area and say that is the voice of the people. What we need is a legis- lative mandate which is the will of Congress in order to tell us what our role should be in this aren. I think that the main thing that would come out of all of this, I hope, is some more definitive guideline Bere we all know what the will of the people is as expressed by 7e . et a ee de ohne al a agenda ee cn ay pn ee (aa reggae ere ranean nnn ene rnin ea i a : hae fae re as an tm a oa i i i ie: eT ince Ce ce oe She ee oe eee ed a ae dr .