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ev. 12-14-04) \ a anced knowledge of himself. He'd feel moretlikea human being. He'd function more like a human being, in a society of human beings. So it takes education to eliminate it. And just because you have colleges and universities, doesn't mean you have education. The colleges and uni- versities in the American educational system are skillfully used to miseducate. What were the highlights of your trip to Africa? I visited Egypt, Arabia, Kuwait, Lebanon, Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanganyika, Zanzibar (now Tan- zania), Nigeria, Ghana, Liberia, Guinea and Al- geria. During that trip I had audiences with Presi- dent Nasser of Egypt, President Nyerere of Tan- zania, President Jomo Kenyatta (who was then Prime Minister) of Kenya, Prime Minister Milton Obote of Uganda, President Azikiwe of Nigeria, President Nkrumah of Ghana, and President Sekou Toure of Guinea. I think the highlights were the audiences I had with those persons because it gave me a chance to sample their thinking. I was im- pressed by their analysis of the problem, and many of the suggestions they gave went a long way to- ward broadening my own outlook. How much influence does revolutionary Africa have on the thinking of black people in this coun- try? All the influence in the world. You can't separate the militancy that's displayed on the African con- tinent from the militancy that's displayed right here among American blacks. The positive image that is developing of Africans is also developing in the minds of black Americans, and, consequently they develop a more positive image of themselves. Then they take more positive steps— actions. So you can't separate the African revolution from the mood of the black man in America. Neither could the colonization of Africa be sep- arated from the menial position that the black man in this country was satisfied to stay in for so long. Since Africa has gotten its independence through revolution, you'll notice the stepped up cry against discrimination that has appeared in the black com- munity. How do you view the roleofthe U.S. in the Congo? As criminal. Probably there is no better example of criminal activity against an oppressed people than the role the U.S. has been playing in the Con- go, through her ties with Tshombe and the mer- cenaries. You can't overlook the fact that Tshombe gets his money from the U.S. The money he uses to hire these mercenaries—these paid killers im- rorted from South Africa—comes from the United States. The pilots that fly these planes have been ‘trained by the U.S. The bombs themselves that are Tolson Jelmont Mohr DeLcach Casper Callahan Conrad Felt Gale Rosen Sullivan Tavel Trotter Tele Room Halmes Gandy INTERVIE MALCO E> ¢ (Cont. ) Pa Fea ewe oa The Washington Post and Times Heraid i . The Washington Daily News The Evening Star New York Herald Tribune New York Journal-American New York Daily News New York Post The New Yorke Times The Baltimore Sun The Worker The New Leader The Wall Street Journal The National Observer People's World Date March-April '65_ YOUNG SOCIALIST Page 3