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SEES Ae eo eee bis, dai A: tes may have in their possession personal flashlights. Kubis advised that the best person to determine how far back in the stern passengers were allowed would be the Chief Engineer, and as far as Kubis knows, no passengers were ever allowed back to the bulkhead to the rear of the passenger's quartere, and they were never allowed on the service catwik of the ship. The baggage compartment is in the rear portion of the ship and Kubis was not aware of its ex- act position for it is often changed. When Bubis was first concerned about the safety of the ship he was ina stending position, end as soon as he felt the strong angle of incident, knew there was something amies, and at the time he did not see anything to cause alerm. Kubis was unable to determine whether it was his sence of feeling, hearing or sight that first warned him of impending danger, and he advised that he heard the explosion and felt the accompanying shock at the same time, As Kutis wes wumable to furnish any further information +45 Tanase ao wit Lele The second witness of May 14, 1937 was WILHELX BALLA, who resides at Waldorf, near Frankford, Germany. Balis advised that he was a member of the crew of the Hindenburg on May 6, 1937 in the capacity of night steward. At the tims of the acct dent Raltla was in the dining room and he suddenly heard Me WE SE SR aur re EA ee al. a miffled explosion and felt a jerk of the “ships At that time two pass= engers slipped aft and pulled Palle with them. Baila is not aware of how high the ship was at the time of the explosion, and he did not ima whether any part of the ship had at that time touched the ground. Balla first noticed the fire after the explosion and then only by reflection as it suddenly became very light. Balla was stand- ing in the dining room to one side and rather far forward at the time of the explosion and ha could see aft only as far as the and of the f the explosion and uid the dining room, as he was facing inward and was unable to see at that time any of the ship's windows. Balla advised that he first observed the reflection of the fire at about the same time of the explosion, and as to the color of the fire, Balla stated that it was merely a bright color. The explosion was in the nature of a detonation and gave him a scare a ene Stee