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For example, take Iran, all the monies you have spent for arms and ammunition certainly would have done a lot more good in equipment, installations, food, ‘etce, the same situation exists with Turkeys We replied, since you have been unwilling to make us feel our position is secure, we have been more or less compelled to take the position we haves We said, why does Russia send arms and ammunition to Cuba and create such turmoil there and elsewhere to which the Ambassador replied, they are not. sending arms and ammunition now. We said it makes no difference if it canes direct from them or fron Czechoslovakia, wouldn't it be nice if they stopped 4t altogether and he replied, we have stopped it, why don't you stop sending arms and help to Laos. We answered the Ambassador, Laos is a neutral Country and we are merely trying to assist them to protect themselves against possible overtaking by Comnunisn. The Governor said, we have a democracy in the United States where people are free to express their opinion and the Russians most likely misunderstand our point of view because our people are a friendly people. They are not desirous of having trouble with anyone. We then said to the Ambassador, it would be a fine gesture on Russiats part 4f they would take the first step and make & | move to show a friendly attitude to our new President, who, by the way, is a jman of great understanding and whowould be desirous of making friends with Russia but is the type of man who will not be. pushed around. If Russia would eliminate all assistance to Cuba, immediately, directly or indirectly, and show other friendly gestures, that would be.a step towards creating an atmos- phere where we would have to reciprocatee The Ambassadcr replied, why dontt you take the first step, such as topping any assistance to Laos. We replied © that, since we have a new President, and it is Russia who has caused us a lot of embarraseament by assisting Cuba to move 4n a communistic direction and by threatening to send guided missiles to the United States because of Cuba, it would only be proper for them to take the first step. The Ambassador replied they are contemplating malcing a move toward friendly relations (the move might have been to release the American fliers and now, in turn, they are awaiting a gesture of friendship from us)e The Ambassador seemed to be very friendly and desirous of contimiing the- conversation longer but, at this time, it was necessary that we leave. In my opinion, al. indications showed that the Ambassador had very poor knowledge of public opinion in the United States and he did not umerstand our psychology and our way of life. Although he has been in Washington for ‘some time, he acts as though he just arrived as fir as knowing the American people ° ‘To sum it up the most 4mportant part of the conversation reflected that the ssador's feeling was that, as long as we are going to support our Allies th arms and ammmition, they will continue to support Cuba and do anything else they can to harm us in South America or anywhere else. They seem very pleased about embarrassing the United States to Cuba.