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Spe tae tne ST ir a SR Em ves “i ! ae Ss Rea ur Na ots GeO te RE a el A wane RY TE etch a agnor altace! RRS a ta San at Res a dang rere; qe een et cae + . + nr . : in 1 i - oN ee omer ae . ot . SO a SEP ere eee ee tes ME : : . . ” 1 ~ . . ‘ ~ . eee ee ee > ae Ie Foreign Secretary the evidence upon which he is basing his charges againsi Mr. Phii- by? I quite understand the reluctance of the hon. and gallant Gentleman to bring that evidence before the House of Com- mons, but perhaps he would good enough to forward it to my right hon. Friend. -- ux A bio bete of. - - Lieut.-Cofonel Lipton: No, J am pre- pared to forward that information to a judicial member of the Privy Council—a High Court judge—who, as has been Suge gested from this side of the House, should Cafry out an investigation into the opera- tions of the Secret Service and who should report (o the Prime Minister in a private teport. Surely that is not ao unrcason- able offer to make. ~* *) -°~ o as dae FE . weecur of tele All I want to say, and I must rapidly draw to a conclusion. (Hon. Memprrsy a - ~—_, Hear, hear.”] Before 1 draw to a con- clusion, I want to say that J will not be gagged by anybody in this House of outside in the performance of my duty. EHon, Mempers: “ Say it outside.”j Even Mr. Philby has not asked for it to be repeated outside. Let us leave it at tha! for the time being. -te:i..cteig7jee tn. os unt | 2 rs hw - Mags et eo dhe te ET cet Re OE IE Se et nett lee GO are em tat We oe ee tet ee vob > v owe a f . - - | a : ce ~ an Ble . “es ~ : . }- 15910 Former Foreign Offices 7-NOVEMBER 195$ Offictals—Disoppearance 1992" A coun) bai _ > PLteuT.-CoLonet Lipton j ~f3 ore: ere = In the course of carrying out what % ~~ . ae to the Prime Minister on 25th October believe to be my public duty asa Mem> - : ; a are: last. That is a quile serious statement to ber of Parliament I say quite deliberately ~ ; ‘cr make, but } make it because ] am abso- and 1 think that when the verbal nice — : eo: lutely convinced that I am serving the ties of the Foreign Secretary’s statement ae public interest by forcin the Government, are examined in the OFFICIAL Repost to: : be and in particular the Foreign Secretary, morrow it will be found that fam justified eee to provide much more information than —that I wil! not make any withdrawal at = —* wo r , has been provided hitherto... 2... afl at present. The whole tendency of the bovin eveniee Bee may be that I have some other ine Of this Genet stress the importance’ * _ , ; formation which, as it involves what was © fia two-pronged inquiry, first, into the... rope said by Secret Service agents, I cannot "2 sseruliment of the Foreiga ’ ; c ; Office_and, Secondly, into_our security, s b quote in this House. What J suggest to arran Deg ce ae ED, i - foc: the Government is that the case for some SDE noe ye ascimagrre, oF a ea inquiry, first, into the staffing arrange- - The whole of the debate will have been L a ments of the Foreign Office. and, secondly, a complete waste of time unless it is fol- a ro into our security services. has been made lowed by one of both of the inquiries boan geet Out. ft will be found, if both these in- which quite a number of hon. Members ae wt quiries are embarked upon. that many on both sides of the House are’ very 7 t+ people will be induced to give informa- anxious to see instituied at the earliest Fenner eer lion, especially to » private inquiry which possible moment, - +- legis nites tea fe. of we hope will be made by a High Court © J fo wretrsvete miiey test ae ft judge into the Secret Service. Perhaps _. Mr. Daines: In spite of the interves- LL. EEE | people will be more willing to give infor- my hon and. a of State, ; think haf . all : ‘i = a re a ee oe ae mation than they have been up to NOW: - House an answer, The only evidence he 7 ~ : Mr. Nutting: May I ask the hon. and has brought against Mr. Philby is -a s-. + Nant Gentleman to be good enough to quotation in the American Press which e -_ orward 1o my right hon. Friend the ¢Mmanated,. apparently, from -a - British Member of Parliament. He is a lawyer, and knows that that is not evidence, and I think he should withdraw what be said. ee a TR a RE St GE 8.50 pm,” - ree Vat tory Mr. R. Brooman-White (Rutherglen) : The hon. and gallant Gentleman the Member for Brixton (Lieut.-Colond Lipton) has been somewhat diffuse, and a littl difficult to follow.. I shall tura my attention to one phrase only, in which he brushed aside the whole speech—which gas welcomed on both sides—of my right hoo. Friend the Foreign Secretary as “interesting political philosophy.” My Fight hon. Fnend'’s main theme was that in the conditions of the post-war world we are again facing a security problem" which bas not had to be faced since the wars of religion. We are dealing with the - extremely: difficult :‘and delicate balance which has to be struck between the needs of national security and the Fights of individual liberty.” --i-) % un +, “.We must have constant’ and’ difficult decisions to’ make as to bow ‘far ‘any action is justified on suspicion.” After listening to the hon. and gallant Member, one is at least quite clear where he stands on that,. He is in favour of acting on suspicion, of smearing on suspicion, by . fa wus a ata a a ic a tein natlt Din eta ehh i et Anite ned Tite oid tation ate oiamede hae — nt Cee mee me iM eo ee a er oe te ee ee ee ree ete ere Opie ge . 4 a . ry oo . . <. . :