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~ ’ . te ae ee cial ~ - 27 aN ~ "Tah ae * . a ae nS . . Tein. . 2: wee. > f- wea Te Sot votes : eT + er eee Seed F _— nae a ee Fee we ae ara | Reena Maen ony . we op —m eo wee, [Ma. MorRisOn.} ov 6: servant not only to his party, but a man who also had a sense of duty to the House ‘as a whole, including the Opposition. We all deplore his passing. {Hox. MEMBERS: “ Hear, hear."| re We have heard a very able, full and “compctcnt specch by the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, and I am sure ‘that the House as a whole is thankful to him for the information which he has given this afternoon. I think the Gov- ernment were right themselves to take the initiative in offering a debate on this matter, and that it is right that a debate should take place. It will probably be rather less exciting than one felt that it might when the Government announced it. The atmosphere has somewhat cooled down. We are grateful tat eve cee Home Depariment and Minister of Hon,’ Security. I had a great deal to do wit, the Secret Services or, at Ieast, had 8 £005" deal of knowledge from them an although J was not in charge of them, watched their work. Compared with th: secrel services in Nazi Germany ours wer eminently superior, 1 did not think mu¢ t of the Nazi Secret Services. 1 thought 1: great deal of our own. In the beginnin } of the war, they were, perhaps, a lied! reckless in their political judgment am j sometimes saw Communists—and eve Fascists—-where they did not fully exist - but my experience was that they improver. as time went On, . - Toni we, wh ie T agree with the Forcign Secretary the we all feel that this incident of Burges: and Maclean is a disgrace to our country. With him, I know ¢hat the Foreign Offic” see A eo mE eee Hemet rte hye den a et NP EEN Te ~boy. fo the right hon. Gentleman for his speech, —the Foreign Service as a whole—fa a tee! * although 1 must say that while I agree that it was a Gisgrace and a reflectics . _ with the great bulk of it~as will be upon the Service. It was also an us 7 apparent in the course of my observa- happy incident for the Security Services om tions—I am not quite as satisfied as he is - We are all sad about it; just as we weit mob es with things as they are. sad about the case of Fuchs, of Dr. Nuns : This ig not a party political matter. May, Pen OF Op ECCOFVO, cases whit bee, We are concerned. with the problem of these poacl ie which misht baw ee Government and administration, and I “3 se eee ef greater effect upon the future peace of the world even though they did not raix so much excitement. ent grea pete in F hope that it will be handled as such Sd throughout the debate. We, in our coun- toed ty, have a very great Civil Service, of whic h we can be proud. I do not think However, we have to keep a sénse of : as gin 4 that there is any better in the world, 1 proportion about these things.. If we. ek t agree that the Civil Service of the Foreign remember the number of men employed en ‘Office is also one which does credit to in our public services, the number ol. Roo. te: the country, both at home and abroad, cases of this kind are very limited. That ORM Tee Te It is true that, now and again, a tradition does not mean that we should under. ‘ yo of earlier policies and earlier biases is to estimate them, nor that we should not be! 2.8 be found in the Foreign Office, and it is worried about them. Each is a worrying Fane errr necessary for the Secretary of State to push hard to get it shered. The Foreign rvice is a very good one. Having had. for a short period, contact with other incident, but things have occurred in way before. Afier all, the noblest band of men in history had their Judas. He suffered, and I think that these men will ahi : : eed s tees on a eae NO EE Le AS of eae Prt agetne * oy ¥. : - foreign services J am inclined to say that suffer, in one way or another, in due. EOh2 avi | 1 know of none better than ours. But- course. “Westie ga ewe cog B2R E Wo thle Ge there is always a temptation for s Minister. ‘The’ existence of Communism” and - SRT ZS TREE, 4d. in charge of a Depariment-—or a Minister Fascism creates a new security problem,“ grchomerrt who has been in charge of a Department The Communisi—and, indeed, _ the co. rather to assume that that Department Fascist ; he does not exist so much now, * "AETAED Yshriee ae -- is completely perfect. That, of course, byt he could again if our economic situa- 1 Roooblecd dese - ‘would be foolish and vowise. nce fe tion became really serious—are both 3 tit { always imperfections, and it is as well to different from the ordinary . espionage ~ pepe pegeege ce . . DEAT that an mind... qe nes eres. - agent, in this respect: they both have = _ a a The Secret Service—for which, in its loyalty, not to their own country but = TAR BGT GZ: wider as the Prime Minister is to another country or other countriss, .J = Beocuetin dt? responsible—and was—is also a good one do not know that they have a sense of - FE at as a whole. During the greater part of guilt about this external loyalty. They ” nes: the war I was Secretary of State for the may even feel that it is a vistue. If one awe a i . nH ci Sree —s bey Spetecnidhe SAE ie pgeing Mapes BME Dg ee = a Baw sgrehig pence Tl WET erie NEA to j :