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Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP81R00560R000100010003-8 pocror: You said they were friendly. BARNEY: Not the leadet’s. I said the one look: ing over his shoulder. : pocTor: How did you know the other one was the leader? BARNEY: Because everybody moved—everybody was standing there looking at me. But everybody moved. These levers were in the back . . . or they went to a big board, it looked like a board. And only this one with the black, black shiny jacket and the scarf stayed at the window. pocror: He had slanted eyes. What did that make you think of? BARNEY: I don’t know. I’ve never seen eyes slanted like that. They began to be round—and went back like that—and like that. And they went up like that... . I’m driving. pocrTor: You're back in the car now? BARNEY: Yes... . I’m getting a hold on myself. I'm saying to myself: Remember, you've got for- titude. You can drive a car. And I told Betty to look out—and the object was still around us. I could feel it around us. I saw it when we passed by the object. When I got in the car, it had swung around so that it was out there. I—I know it was out there. Yeah—it’s out there. But I don’t know where. That’s funny. Ohhh, those eyes! They're in my brain! Please can’t I wake up? pocronr: Stay asleep alittle longer. ... You'll get through this all right. Follow your feelings. Tell me. They won’t upset you so much now. | BARNEY: They're zhere. Isn't that funny—all the woods. That crazy dog. She stays in the car all the time. Isn’t that funny? pocror: She doesn’t bark at anything? BARNEY: She just stays there. I don’t understand. Are we being robbed? I don’t know. Doctor: What makes you think you're being robbed? BARNEY: I know what’s in my mind, and I don’t want to say it. pocror: Well, you can say it to me. You can say it now. BARNEY: They’re—men! All with dark jackets: And I don’t have any money. I don’t have any- thing. I don’t know. Oh—oh, the eyes are there. Always the eyes are there. And they’re telling me I don’t have to be afraid. . . . I’m not even afraid that they’re not connected to a body. They’re just there. They’ re just up close to me, pressing against " my eyes. That’s funny. I’m not afraid. . .. Afier a few more exchanges: pocror: All right. We'll stop there. You will be calm and relaxed. You will forget everything that we have had in this period together until I ask you to recall it again. You will forget every- thing we have talked about until I ask you to re- call it again. It will not trouble you, it will not worty you. You will remain comfortable and re- laxed and have no pain, no aches, no anxiety. All tight, Barney, you may wake up now. You'll be comfortable and relaxed. BARNEY: Wow! Nine-thirty. Didn’t you bring me in here at five minutes after eight? DOCTOR: Yes. BARNEY: Where was I? pocror: Right here with me: BARNEY: Where are my cig—was I about to reach for a cigarette? : pocTor: Go ahead and have one. We'll continue this next week. A week from today... . CHAPTER The door to the past begins to open ON FEBRUARY 29, 1964, the Hills arrived punc- tually for their appointment. Betty sat in an outer office. After asking Barney a few questions in review, Dr. Simon put him into trance. Barney again relived many of the experiences of his pre- vious trance. Then: - parNEY:... And I thought: How interesting; there is the military pilot, and he is looking at me. And there were several others looking at me, and the men lined up at the window of this huge dir- igible and were looking down at me. When they moved to the back, and I continued to look at this one man that stood there, and I kept looking at . him and looking at him. pocror: Is this the man you call the leader? BARNEY: He was dressed differently. And I thought of the Navy and the submarine, and I thought the men that moved back were just dressed in blue denims. But this other man was dressed in a black shiny coat with a cap on...: And I thought: This is not going to harm me. And I wanted to get back to Betty and discuss this _ Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP81R00560R000100010003-8 interesting thing we were looking at. And I kept looking, and he looked at me, and then J] came back to the car. And I said: Betty, were you ex- cited? And she said: Why didn’t you come back? I was screaming for you to come back. I could not understand why you were going out across the road. pocror: You hadn't heard her scream? BARNEY: No, I did not hear her scream ::: and begin driving down the highway. And I drove quite a few miles, and noticed I was not on Route Here, for the first time, the door to the forgotten time period begins to open. Barney's memory block had always ob- scured what occurred on the field at In- dian Head. Betty, also, had never been able to bridge this point—unless, as she thought, her dreams were based on reality. BARNEY: And I could not understand that be- cause it is a straight highway. And I looked, and I was being signaled to stop. And I thought, I wonder if there has been an accident. I do have the tire wrench. I’ll put it near my hand... . Doctor: What was it you saw down the high- way? BARNEY: I saw a group of men standing in the highway. And it was brightly lit up, as if ic were almost daylight. It was not the kind of light of day, but it was brightly lighted. ... And they be- gan coming towards me. And I did not think after that of my tire wrench. And I became afraid if I did think of this as a weapon, I would be harmed. And if I did not, I would not be harmed. And they came and assisted me out of the car. I felt very weak, but I wasn’t afraid. And I can’t even think of being confused. I am not bewildered, I can’t even think of questioning what is happening. ... My feet are dragging. ... And I am not afraid. I feel like I am dreaming. poctor: Where is Betty through all of this? BARNEY: I don’t know. I’m trying to think. I don’t know. pocTor: Are these men part of your dream? BARNEY: They are there, and I am there. I know they are there. But-everything is black. My eyes are tightly closed. I can’t believe what I think. poctonr: Is there anything else that you think that you haven’t told me? BARNEY: Yes. DOCTOR: You can tell me now: BARNEY: I am always thinking of mental pic- " tures because my eyes are closed. And I think I am going up a slight incline, and my feet have stopped bumping on the rocks. That’s funny. I thought of my feet bumping on the rocks. And they are not going up smoothly. But I’m afraid to open my eyes, because I am being told strongly by myself to keep my eyes closed, and don’t open them. And I don’t want to be operated on. DOCTOR: You don’t want to be operated on. What makes you think of an operation? BARNEY: I don’t know. DOcTor: Have you ever been operated on? BARNEY: Only for my tonsils. pocror: Does this feel like that time? BARNEY: I think like that, but my eyes are closed, and I only have mental pictures. And I am not in pain. And I can feel a slight feeling. My groin feels cold. pocror: Is that any feeling with the operation? BARNEY: I’m not being operated on. I am lying on something, and I think of the doctor putting something in my ear. When I was a boy, the doctor put something in my ear, and I looked up at it, and he explained to me that you could peek into the ear and light it up with this thing. And I think of that.... And I feel like the doctor did not pain me, and I will be very careful and be very still and will cooperate, and I won't be harmed. Doctor: Where were you lying down? continued Look 10-466 55