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sea evacuation should things go to hell on the beach, Dulles took a position which was identical to that which had been taken by Jake Esterline during the course of his testimony-- that it was only if you,had complete control of the air that the evacuation of the brigade off the beach would have been feasible. To the request that he address himself to the question of maintaining plausible deniability, Dulles was quite forthright in saying that in November of 1960 when the change in concept from the use of guerrilla tactics to standard military maneuver became the objective of the training program he should have informed President Eisenhower and the Special Group that the theory of p~ausible deniability was no longer realistic. This should have been reiterated, if ne.cessary to President Kennedy. With the wisdom of hindsight, there is no question but had this been done the anti-Castro effort in the form which terminated at the Bay of Pigs never could have taken place. Rather surprisingly Dulles made no apologies for the charges that CIA was "selling" the operation--a charge which had been made by the committee in several of the ~revious meetings. The DCI agreed that: The proponents of an operation always try to sell it. It's part of human nature. They spend a lot time developing a plan, and they're enthusiastic about its possi- bilities. Yes, I think I was aware of their trying to sell the operation because 1/0 . \ . .,.; .-