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. , _ 1 To: Counterterrorism From: Berlin Re: 3l5NWF22'/135, 12/05/2003 . possession of certain documents which the court and the public were barred from seeing. Consequently, he had decided to confine his answers simply to the word "no." A Chief Judge Ruhle advised Fromm that the word "no" had a double meaning. Namely, the court could interpret it as Fromm did ' not know the answer to the question, or that Fromm was not authorized to provide testimony on that specific matter. Fromm expressed his concern that others, and by that he did not mean the court, would be able to gain insights into certain matters. He was concerned that the questions could narrow the scope to such a degree that one could deduce certain information from his answers. Fromm was worried about inadvertently disclosing classified information. Thus, he had confined himself to the simplest possible answer. Associate Judge Sakuth then asked Fromm whether he had any knowledge whether the members of the Hamburg Group were recruited solely in Afghanistan and Pakistan, or whether they had been recruited in Hamburg which resulted in an invitation to travel to Afghanistan. . - Fromm said that he did not understand what the Judge had meant by "recruited." Associate Judge Sakuth clarified that he meant whether they had been recruited to attack the World Trade Center. Fromm testified that this did not occur here in Germany, but rather later in Afghanistan. Associate Judge Sakuth asked whether Fromm derived this information from "open" sources of information as well. Fromm testified that it was derived mainly from "open" sources of information which the BfV had analyzed and weighed with respect to credibility. Associate Judge Dr. First Name Unknown! Mohr then asked how the interview of Fromm had come to exist. Fromm explained that a journalist had called the BfV and asked if Fromm could sit for an interview concerning the events of September llth. Fromm had agreed to do so. The Minister of the Interior had been advised of the interview and could have objected to Fromm providing an interview. He did not do so. 7