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COLLINS: HOFFMAN: ¥ COLLINS: HOFFMAN: COLLINS: HOFFMAN: your parents’ fantasies. So, ah... I heard something. J don't know v whether this is true or not, but tt you were a ciinical psychologist or something.... We both are, were. Ah, we both have Masters Degrees in psychology and, ah, were, ah, ah, i--- in fact it is a good place to begin to see, ah. vou know, ah, sort of institutional, ah, oppressment of the individual human beings, and then, ah, you know, y---, and also to discover that, ah, you know, you can't just work within the system in terms of using the procedures that, ah, that, ah, they, ah, insist that you do because you're doomed to fall into a bottomless pit of triple forms you know, and, oh, staff meetings that are endlessly reduce patients to objects, and, ah, you're flooded with patients, an, and you become very instutionalized, Ah, I worked in the mental hospital for two years and then 1 decided to join the patients. So, ah.... Ha. oren't you also a criminologist? I heard somewhere that you.... No, I'm sorry.... --e.that you, you did some study on that. That's just a rumor.... (inaudible) I feel this book if you'd read a number of crimine .ogy books because there are only two or three good ones, and they're the ones that are used for the standard law in the country, and they, they do develop the basic system of communication that good