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eek HOWARD MILLER: No; no, no, not that I don't disagree ca with but I mean that isn't the main thrust of the program.rather than to publicize the book to’ develop the author's line, the author's tact, I started saying ABBIE that you have frequentiy been called the clown prince of this movement, whatever this movement is that you represent. And I just ah, how serious you shwuld be called the clown prince, how seriously you take yourself. Ah, is this all a put on? Te ABBIE HOFFMAN: It isn't enough to kmow the difference =<. between put on and reality, meaning sometimes when I'm in Washington I kind of wonder about what's a put on : and what's a reality in terms of the wets government. For example, there's a lot of ah, you know we learn a lot of things in the fourth grade about courts, ah, you know, about free enterprise, about anybody can grow up to be President, Columbus discovered America even though there were loads of people here. We learn all these kind of cliches and then ah, you kmow one wonders whether or not the United States isn't a put on. HOWARD MILLER: Why, poor boys have become Presidents. - - Almost anybody if he seeks the Prasid-~ ency, certainly has the right to achieve that ah, goal. He may not achieve it because of our selective System and political parties but certainly has a right. Ah, so you can't debunk the thought that there is the privilege, the opportunity - . there. Do us. ~ 3 =