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XN Abbott Howard Hoffman Unknown male: Abbie Hoffman: David Frost: Abbie Hoffman: Unknown male: Abbie Hoffman: Unknown male: How should have the Judge reacted towards ; you? The Judge called us names. The Judge said....well there is a transcript coming out and it is an edited version, calied "Tales of Hoffman" and there are a number of books by me, there's the movie, you won't believe what the Judge did! The Judge would say things in front of the jury for example "Mr. Kunstler you're from New York you wouldn't understand the way we do things here in Chicago". He always made a point of that in front of the jury. He would say "Why don't you carry on the defense if you call it that", things like that. No we harassed the Judge, youreright...we gave him five years in prison, youre right. Might it.... The Judge is a millionaire we cave...Wwé sentenced him to die in the Drakes Tower Hotel. He eats $500 plate dinners for fund raising events. Abbie, are we inclined to believe that the Judge called you derogatory names before you called him derogatory names? I mean the first day... Are you saying that he called you derogatory names first? On the opening day of the trial...it was picking a jury, it was much like people like yourself, 1500 people all Spread out...you weren't allowed to ask them questions, our lawyers weren't allowed, the Judge asked them if they could be fair, at that a part of the audience got up and walked out. They said they walked out because they heard them read the indictment and it sounded like we were already guilty. A black man raised his hand and said “I don't know if I can be fair because my wife - 23 -