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a te Fra ¢ a a uF ye “ - 3 Se ee eee iittala neal ~ier We are going to have situations where you have a “Weatherman” working for the waterworks, and in college he was a scientific student, and he makes a comment to a fellow employee that there is going to be some spectacular event that is going to bring the attention of the world on this city. ' . Senator Monpaue. Wouldn't you have probable cause then to inves- tigate the commission of a crimet . Mr. Apaxs. We might have to investigate, but to disrupt, we have the authority to tell the supervisor of the waterworks, you had better get him out of there before the city water is poisoned and 100,000 people die, and I think the committee is going to find the same problems we do in coping with that situation, and even the Attorney General in his speech in Ottawa pointed out that there is still possibly a necessity for some flexibility to take appropriate action under extreme condi- tions. But it should be controlled. Jt is like Mr, Kelley says, go to ecrlasce thea leas? jesse aw #¢h. wa-hlaew: we née ALLOCney General. SXPiOré Lie 1641 ISSUeS, AV ins prooem up there. It should not be handled internally in the FBI. Senator Monpaur. But do you also agree that the Congress ought to redefine the rules legislatively ! Mr. Apams. Yes; because the problem I have with it is we talk about oversight, and Mr. Kelley and. the Attorney General and I believe this committee agrees that we should have joint oversight which would avoid the proliferation of hearings and the sensitive knowledge among many people which always poses the risk of an inadvertent leak of information. But yet even with oversight, under the plan you dis- cussed yesterday, or some of the observations that were discussed yes- terday, having people, conservative, liberal, black, and the other quali- fications you put in. can a committee speak for the will of Congress! At one time we had Congressmen making speeches all over the country. if we don’t stop these bombings, if somebody doesn’t do something about it this country is in trouble. Is that the will of Congress? Until it is embodied in legislation where the whole will of Congress is expressed, we are going to have problems. Senator Monpae. I am glad to hear that, because there is a wa Congress speaks. It is not through the buddy system or a person. It speaks through the law. Mr. Apams, That's right. Senater Monpars. And now for the first time we have this whole issue; it is not denied by the FBI. The elements are known. What I hear you saying is that you would like the Congress now to define. and redefine specifically and carefully, what it is we ex the FBI to do, and what it is we wish to prevent the FBI and will prohibit the FBI from doing. Mr. Apaaus. Right. What is our role in society? After World War IT. if you'll remember, a congressional committee met and raised all sorts of storm over the fact that there was not enough in the way of intelli- gence investigations. Never again should it happen in the United States that we be caught with our pants down. After the Kennedy assassination. if you recall. the FBI was properly criticized for hay- ing too restrictive dissemination policies in connection with Secret Sorvice because they depend upon us for the intelligence necessary to provide protection for the President against extremist groups. We did that, but just before the recent incidents in California, there was going P) ee ee