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io 6100 UN-AMERICAN PROPAGANDA ACTIVITIES Mr. Kony. I can answer your question. Mr. Starnes. AJ] right. Mr. Kcun. Do you have t- be a Catholic to go inte the Knights: of Columbus? Mr. Starnes. Ido not know. Tam neither a Knights of Columbus nor a Cathohe. Mr. Kun. All right, that answers the question. Mr. Srirnes. Now, then, I want to know if this witness, who says that he is the head of a political organization in this country, can say whether it is true that his organization excludes from membership Negroes and Jews? Mr. Kuan. We never exclude them—— Mr. Srarnes. Do you exclude thei? Mr. Kuun. We do not take them in. Mr. Srarnes. You refuse to take them in? Mr. Kuan. Right. Mr. Starnes. Fherefore, if the political philosophy of the bund became the dominant philosophy of the United States of America, Jews and Negroes would not have any right of representation in this country # Mr. Keecax. I object to that question. I believe in a decision of the Sunreme Court of the [Tnited Statec with resnect to a colored Me A Be Sb ORS EEA ALCL Liars AT OPENL CV WAVE Us citizen of the Southern States who tried to become a member of the Democratic Party, where he was excluded, and appealed his case, the Supreme Court upheld the exclusion. The Democrats have already done that. Mr. Starnes. May J say that one of the members of that race is a Democratic Member of the House. Mr, Keeaan. I was just referring to the fact that that principle has already been upheld by the Supreme Court. Mr. Starnes. I am merely trying to establish what the purpose of this organization is; T am trying to ascertain the true purpose of this ormranization. and T am trvine to acrartain. thronah the leadar tis Orpanization, and 2 am trying (to ascertain, Chrougn tne 1enaer of the organization, whether he says they have a right to become a political element in this country, organize a political party to exclude others. The Cuaremayn. All right; let us proceed. Mr. Starnes. That is all for the time being. The Cuatrman. Mr. Voorhis, you had some questions. Mr. Vooruts. This paper which counsel objected to contains notices to which I would like to call attention: It has two notices signed by Fritz Kuhn in it, and it was photostated by the Library of Con- press, and that is the paper in which reference is made to taking over Now I would like to ask you this question, Mr. Kuhn. Suppose the bund succeeded in organizing an effective political party, such as you had in mind here, what would be your answer to this question; would you, in connection with its work, use the same tactics that were used in other nations— et Mr. Kounwn (interposing}). Mr. Chairman, I think—— Mr. Voornis (continuing). By other German organizations? Mr. Konwn. That question is very unfair. Mr. Voornts. Well, you can answer it “Yes” or “No.” ay . ¥ 4 d UN-AMERI'! Mr. Kui. You said not a party. Then, you what we woud do in 1 Mr. Vooruis. What t: Mr. Kuxy. I doen't ki now. Mr. Veorits. You wa not know of any efforts ' mony the German peop! ties between the Germai Ale Wore Not en Fa PSL, ABR TLRs ATER LN ES Mr, Vooruis. You do Mr. Kcuy. No. Mr. Starnes. You di been to Stuttgart to vis! Mr. Kus. What? My. Voortis. You s: Mr. Kcun. Yes. Mr. Vournis. When | Mr. Kurs. Yes. ; Mr. Vooruis. To visi Mr. Keay. The Wo Mr. Voorars. The A: Mr. Kuux. The Aus Mr. Vooruis. Did yv out by the Aussland hi Mr. Kcnux. No: not Mr. Voornis. You 1 Mr. Kunw. I did no My. Voornis. Have : Mr. Kony. Oh, yes. Mr. Voornis. You hi expresses ? Mfr. Kun. Could yo Mr. Vooruts. This qv North America seemlnels lini and Hitler to clean ov all party prejudices and dij That isa reprint int Service. Mr. Kony. I don't | know just what it refe: of papers. Mr. Voornis. Well, I Mr. Kuuw. I have mn Mr. Voornts. You h: Now, when a Germa) it the general practice ship at bund meetings: Mr. Kcny. No; it is Mr. Voornis. It is n Mr. Kons. Once in sonal friend of mine.