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. During this question MATZ begen to talk briefly and wes later to explain he just remembered something he wanted to ., pring to the attention of the prosecuting attorney. ° - Where are indications that MATZ is practicing deception in regards to Question 5. There is Something specific bothering him that he has not disclosed which deals with the origin of the idea to give cash kickbacks directly to AGNEW, ‘There is a like reaction to Question 7 indicating that MATZ has other informa- tion about kickback money going to AGNEW that he has not at this time told about. The overall verification ~ Question 11 - Shows a reaction indicating that MATZ knows that he has not pecessarily answered truthfully to all of the questions in the est, In the post-polygraph interview which was very brief, MATZ advised SA PEARCE assfollows: - In regards to Question 9, Series I, and Question 3, Series I, he said that he had a thought come into his mind. He- Stated he and his partner had an envelope in which cash was stored for purposes of having cash available to pay kickbacks, He said that he todk. about $2,000 on one occasion and that his partner didn't know it and he had the intention to put it back but he never did. He stated.that in regards to Question 5 dealing with the payment of $20,000, he said the thought occurred to him that the payment he believed was actually July 1968 rather’ than June 1968 as he had previously told SA PEARCE, He was emphatic and stated he actually made‘the payments and would never change that statement. - . The observations indicating possible deception to Questions 5 and 7, Series II, were brought to the attention of the Government attorneys who indicated they will question MATZ further in regards to this, . Both MATZ and WOLFF could logically be interviewed further utilizing polygraph techinque to verify certain solnts that they have furnished information about. Future polygraph . ~Qe. , ‘ ; mH