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, ( 1950 their faces: but when I speak of their looking Jike Communists and acting like Communists and walking like Commu- nists, I am speaking of the record of those men and how they-Jook In that record. The Senator from New York knows that. T do not know whether those men are tal or short or fat or lean, Mr. LEHMAN, I did,not think the Benator could describe a Communist by the way Communists look. Mr. DONNELL. Mr. President, will the Senator yield? ™ Mr. McCARTHY. f am glad to yield. Mr. DONNELL. Referring to the re- quest for secrecy in regard t& these. | names, I ask the Senator whether he has »trted to keep these names secret from the President of the United States? Mr. McCARTHY. No; I have not. T have offered the names to the President. Mr. DONNELL I ask the Senator whether in the telegram he sent from Nevada about a week ago to the Presi- dent, there appears this language: gent, Lnere BpPears Pus ishe fo the Lincoln Day speech at Wheeling, Thursday night, J stated that the Gtate De- ent harbors a nest of Communists and unist sympathizers who @re béelping to ehape our foreign policy. I further stated that I have in my possession the names of 87 Communists Bho are in the State Depart. ment at present. .A State Department promptly denied this, claiming that there ‘s not a single Communist in the Departinent. Then, omitting some intermediate por- tions of the telegram, does not the tele- gram to the President resume as follows: Despite thia Btate Department black-out, we have Been abie to compile a list of 57 Comrmiunists in the State Department. This list ia available to you. Mr, McCARTHY. That is correct. Mr. DONNELL. Did the Senator 20 telegraph the President? Mr. McCARTEHY. I1 did Mr. DONNELL. Did the Senator then eontinue tn his telegram to the President, as follows: “ Seek Law Tee But Fou ao gat & Hiuch iat < ordering Gecretary Acheson to give you as of those whom your own board listed as ing disloyal, and who are stil) working in the Btate Department. Is that a part of the telegram the Sey- ator sent? Mr. McCARTHY. That is correct. Mr. .DONNELL. The Senator re- ferred to having spoken at Wheeling op Thursday night. That was Thursday night, February 8; was it not? Mr. McCARTHY. That is correct. Mr. DONNELL. Where did the Sens- tor speak the next night? Mr. McCARTHY. I did not speak anywhere the next night. The telegram was sent on Saturday, the 11th, in the afterncon. Mr DONNEDLS Bo 8 days hav Ct ln elapsed since the sending of that tele- gram to the President of the United States, signed by the Senator from Wis- consin, l assume. Is that correct? Mr. McCARTHY. That is correct. Mr. DONNELL. And the Senstor has not yet received any response? Mr. McCARTHY. I have not. Mr. DONNELL, Did the Senator ever at any time indicate to the President of tig CONGRESSIONAL RECORD—SENATE the United States that he would not re- veal the names of the $7, upon the Presi- dent’s request? Mr. McCARTHY. In order to keep the Recoxzp absolutely clear, let me say that the telegram Places no conditions upon my offer to reveal the names. However, in talking to somé members of the press several days later, I told them T did not think I would feel free to give the nt the names if he were going to maintain the iron curtain of secrecy. and merely say, “67 more red herrings,” and claim that the men were simon pure, with no investigation made. At that time I did indicate that a con- dition in connection with giving him the names would be that he draw back the fron curtain of secrecy. That condition was not stated in the telegram, but in fairness to the President I say that I assume that the condition was brought to his attention. Mr, DONNELL, And if it does draw back the tran curtain of secrecy, of which he Senator from Wisconsin ‘spoke, the Senator from Wisconsin is perfectly ‘will- ing to give the President the names of every one of the 57 persons; is he? Mr. McCARTHY. There is no ques- tion about that. Purthermore, I urge that the proper Benate committee con- vene, and I shall be glad to give the com- tmoittee the names. Mr. DONNELL And the Senator from Wisconsin will give that committee every name; and the Senator offered a few mamaents apn did ha nat ts #lva tn SEW SRURICOLS Sec, Gal ot OL, a gavc we the Senator from Kentucky, himself, personally, the names, tomorrow morn- ing, if be wants them. Mr. McCARTHY. f withdrew that, however, because the Senator said he wishes to make the ‘nformation public. I have been « lawyer for along time, as the Benator from Missourl bas: and T am convinced of the communistic con- nections of these persons—although it is true that some of them might not have paid dues to the Communist Party. But the reports are 50 convincing that T am confident those persons are working closely with the Communist Party. Nevertheless, I do not think that, as & general proposition, one Member of the Benate should rise on the floor of the Benate and should make public the natnes of 81 persons in that way. If the matter Were so urgent that that would be the only way to proceed, the names could be gotten, that would be another matter. But all of us will be back tomorrow, a committee can be convened tomorrew, and I am periectly willing to give the names to a committee. Mr. DONNELL The Senator from Wisconsin is perfectly willing to give the names to a Senate committee. Is that correct? Mr. McCARTRY. That le correct oe Thee Se ane oe ne 8 ee Mr, DONNELL, If thank the Senator. Mr. McCARTHY. If the majority of the Senate thinks it is proper tc maka them public on the floor of the Senate, I shall be giad to do so. Mr. NEELY. Will the Senator yield? Mr. McCARTHY. I yield. Mr. NEFLY. A moment ago the distinguished minority leader I[Mr. Wersat), demanded the regular order. ( 3 I second that ®emand. The Senator from Wisconsin is discussing an unsur-- without further. interruption, abouid be permitied io bear aii th has to say Without bein S required sit up al! night like wild cats and he to sleep all day tomorrow like hoot Therefore I purpose to object further yielding by the Senator ing a ‘question, and I shall demand the strict enforcement of the rule. - the Benator yield? eae belies Wriseonstn stated = short time sen thet isconsl ago js Fo SF EY BLEEE he would not disclose the names of" “the persons to the President unless the Pres. d4dent would use the names and would pull back the iron curtain; the Senator from Wisconsin said he would give the names to the President if he world start to work on them. . Mr. McCARTHY. Ne, Senator, this had not @ game. Mr. . Wait a minute. I ‘asked the Senator a question. Let him answer it. Mr McCARTEY. Bay Tf answer the . — FAEVA ELE, may @ BOLOWErD LW Mr, WITHERS, Yes. Mr. McCARTHY. It may not be the answer the Genator Wants, ft will be an answer. T may say (6 the Benator this is not a game. fF hay ES Bs ’ President he could have the names, and subsequently I indicated I felt it would be useless to give him the names and let him issue a whitewash statement, saying “57 red herrings.” I felt that the mini- mum the American people could ask for was that he revoke the rule which, wo far ‘as I know, had never been in existence before he enforced it. He should not be worried about a Congress which has oe ‘majority of his own party, and when he does that, he can have the names. But I fo not want the names buried behind-» curtain of secrecy. I have enough con- fidence in the Senate however to feel that any committee of the Senate, when it gets the information and takes the trouble to go over it, together with the Dames, will insist that the President give them the information to which they are entitled. I believe perhaps the American people, beth Democrats and Republi- cans~and I do not think, Mr. President, there will be found any party line of diviston-—the 150,000,000 American peo- ple will sey ts the Drasideant be aay atk es et =. President, you ‘cannot hide these Com- munists behind an iron curtain. Give the Congress the information which is in the files; jet them know; let them decide - whether or not a house cleaning is in order.” I am sure fhat if the Senator wits in on the hearings—and I hope they are extended—I am sure before be gets through he will agree with me 100 percent, -