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1950 will have all the cooperation J can give &. TI shall be more than happy to go before the Appropriations Committee and give it all the information Ihave. I think the Appropriations Committee should certainly look into the question especially so in the cart of the Voice of America, I think the Voice of America Program is a very important program ff property conducted. I think it fe almost impos- sible to spend too much Money on it if the money Is wisely spent. but I think the picture which we find in connection with the New York office of the Voice of Alner- ica should be examined by the Appro- priations Committee and that that com- mittee should use a bright light and find out exactly what is going on. I shall cover that matter in some detail when I get down to the final case. Mr. CAPEHART., Mr. President, will the Senator yield? Mr, McCARTHY. f yieid. Mr. CAPEHART. Is it not a fact that it had not been for a congressional committee Alger Hiss would not have been convicted? at Mr. McCARTHY. I think there is no @oubt about that. The Senator will re- eal) that at the time the House Un-Amer- fean Activities Committee turned up the tmformation on Hiss the President said, in a public statement, “We had all this information already.” J do not know whether he had It, but Lf st that time the Un-American Activities Committee had @ecided to quit, Hiss might have been in Calcutta, instead of Service which might not have been too bad. Mr. CAPEHART. Is tt not reasonable to assume that in the file of Mr. Hiss there are possibly some good points as well as derogatory evidence? Mr. McCARTHY. I think even the * most fanatical Communist may treat his wife and children well: he msy provide for them well. I do not think that is the question. The question is whether these persons are a threat to the United States. No matter how much good t-formation there may be in the file regarding them, go jong as they are Joyal to Russia and to the Communist Party, and disloyal to this Government, I think they have no right to hold Government position. I think it is a privilege to bave a Govern- mnent job, nota right. Mr. CAPEHART. Is t not a fact that every dan who has been ¢onvieted pos- wbly had some good points about him, and there were some persons who would testify that he was a kindly and an. honest man? onl McCARTHY. That is certainly ¢ Mr. CAPEHART. I did not quite understand the srgument which was wsed a little earlier, that there might be gome good points in the files. What difference does it make how many good points there are if the persons involved are Communist sympathizers and fellow fwavelers? Our jails are filled with per- sons who were perfectly honest°up to the time they performed the acts or deeds which got them convicted. Is not that truc? Mo. 45—1 that it is not my task to take 81 cases and try and get all the evidence end then determine whether the intelligence unit which evaluates it was doing a good or a bad Job. All I am doing is pre: senting enough of the picture so that I hope both the Democratic side and the Republican side will forget politics’ and help clean house. I think this is somiething in which we cannot think of politics as usual. Tf 7 were to give my Democratic friends some advice, tt would and do some house cleaning. I notice the Senator from Mississippi frowning. I do not think he was present when I made it clear that if the Democratic © Party as represented in the Senate had contro] of the executive branch I thought © we would not have the sorry picture we ‘have todey. Mr. WHERRY. Mr, President, will the Senator yield? Mr. McCARTEHY. Certainly. Mr. WHERRY, Is it not a fact, to bod this all down, that the distinguished Senator from Wisconsin is simply ask- “tng that an appropriate committee of the Senate make a thorough tnvestigna- tion not only of the files but of any other ‘ source of information possible, and let that committee determine whether there are any disloyal persons or Com- munists, ot what have you, such as the Senator has listed in these 81 cases? Is not that the whole crux of the maj- ter? Mr. McCARTHY. That is correct. Mr. WHERRY. Whether there are good things or bad things to be said about them, aJ] the Senator is doing fe asking thet an investigation be made by an appropriate committee of .the Benate. Whether that is correct pro- eedure or not, the Senator is within his rights in asking {t. Mr. McCARTHY. That is correct. I do not think a Benate committee can do a complete job uniess the President wil] make the facts avallabie. Mr. WHERRY. Whether an investi- gation will accomplish the very thing which the distinguished Benator from Connecticut (Mr. McManon] abr about will depend on whether all the information in the files is forthcoming to the investigating committee. Mr. McCARTHY. That is correct. I do not clatm that all the cases I am re- porting to the Senate refer to persons Working in the State Department, but in view of the fact that most of them were in the Btate Department and had top- secret clearance, I think the Senate could call them before a committee and find out in what Government Work they are now engaged, or, if they are not engaged fm Government work, what they have been doing in private employment, and whether they are members of espionage rings. I am not concerned with the Bumbers over which the Senator from Tilmois labored all night long. whether there are 205 or 57. Tt t& a question of whether there are Communists tn the State Department. As to three of them the record is sc bad that I can find notb- er C CONGRESSIONAL RECORD—SENATE Mr. McCARTHY. I take the position - Senator yield? : Mr. McCARTHY. I yield. - Mr. WHERRY. Has the distingttished ‘Committee on Appropriatiqns relative te : distinguished Benator mentioned be that I think we should get together . oe the better job. I ahould like to state all other committees fail, I believe . Committee on Appropriations would be 8 bes a “wery good place to start, because priations are withheld from a depart- ment or an agency, it can be brought like him to know now that at any time — at all, tomorrow or the next day, or whenever he wants me to do so, I shall ’ be glad to come to his committee and . give him all the information I have. f believe the committee should decide after further and complete investigation, and after they have asked the President for the files, which of the names they wish to make public. Wr. DONNELL. Mr. President, will the Benator yield? Mr. McCARTHY. I yield. Mr. DONNELL. I understood the Senator to say that he had made an offer to the President of the United States. Will the Senator state what that offer wes and how it was made? - Mr. McCARTHY. I shall be giad to From Nevade I sent a telegram e President. I was out there mak- was the Senator making? Mr. McCARTHY. A Lincoln Day speech. Mr. WITHERS. I thought the Bena- ‘tor said it was a Republican sperch, Mr. McCARTRY. We call it # Lin- coln Day speech. Mr. WILEY. The appellations are synonymous. Mr. McCARTHY. T sent a telegram to the President saying, in effect, “Mr. President, I have the names of 57 tn- dividuals in the State Department who are Communists, and those names are