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LE pa athaneitiets Minbalined we 1950 ment chiefs do not want to hire Com- munists, they could use that list as & screen. Mr. FERGUSON. Im the subcom- mittee of the Appropriations Committee @ealing with foreign affairs, I may say it was indicated that thes$ persons in the majority of cases were permitted to re- sign rather than to be reed, Mr. MUNDT. They were permitted to resign after, I believe, they had been told that the State Department had made an examination of their loyalty status and found it questionable. Mr. McCARTHY. And permitted to resign 60 they would find it easier to secure another Job. Mr. MUNDT. Perfectly true. Mr. McGARTHY. I may say in that connection, Mr. President, that the whole picture seems to be—and you recall I cited some cases along that line—that where they can get one top man in an important position. that then very abortly we see them dragging in their fellow Communists. When that ts done we may be syre they will not be dis- charged for Communist actfrities. They are allowed to resign so they can be taken over by another department. The dis- turbing thing ts that they are resigning from the State Department and then going into the other branches which, while not technically under the Btate De- partment, are to all intents and purposes under the State Department. When they are allowed to resign it does not give them a bad record and they can move into another position. Mr. MUNDT. I think the Senator is putting his finger on a very important deficiency in the President’s so-called zeturity program, because if a Com- Seeulaty pe OBIS BCeauUsSto is bwaeree munist is found to be guilty in the eyes of the State Department or any other department of Government and then permitted to resign so as to secure em- Ployment in some other department of Government or in some other bureau, oF a place in private employment, the gen- eral public has had a fraud faunched against it, and it is the policy of giving the benefit of the doubt to the Com- munists instead of the benefit of the doubt to the Government. Cert: ¥ when we atzre te the miare whara Wait WE EVI PY bs PELE WaT we have discovered a Communist I see no reason why al! the departments of Gov- ernment should not be alerted, and for that reason, when the evidence is com- plete, the general public might well be ajerted so the individual cannot sneak his way into some college facwty, some farmers’ organization, some labor organ- fzation, or some Women’s club. Once the security check hes pointed out that here ig @ man attempting to sabotage freedom in this country and trying to sel] us out to a foreign tyranny, diovernmenit de- partments are notoriously weak, in my opinion, if they fafl then to alert the gen- eral public to that fact. Mr, McCARTHY. I think that is an excellent idea. I may say that merely alerting the new potential boss some- times does not do too much good. The Benator was not present when J recited @ Very unusual case, the case of a Man who is now one of our foreign ministers. The case was that of a man who js one CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-—SENATE of our ministers. His file suddenly dis- appeared, thet is, the vast majority of it. An attempt was made to find out where the file went. The keeper of the file, if one can cali him that, said tt went to one of the top brass, and it is in his safe, and has been there for 2 years. However, he did not obtain all the ma- terial. Some of the remaining material ehows tpAt certain secret material was prepared for transmission to a foreign government. The material was prepared for a foreign government. It showed up in Moscow before it even left Washing- ton. Does the Senator follow me? Of course, the Security Agency was very much eoncerned with that. They an- parently had suspicions ahead of time. Their report—and thelr report of this matter is all in the fle, the Senator understands, was to the effect that this man who ls now one of our ministers, was shadowed by the Security Agency; their men physically saw him make con- # tact with a known esplonage agent.- The agent was shadowed to the Soviet Em- bassy, and that is where the material disappeared, and then showed up in Moscow. When this man's superior Bficor elaane out hiz filae T am vars Wamier LE ul aS ats, 2 Si VOry curious what that man's file contains. Mr. McMAHON. Mr. President, will the Senator yield? Mr. McCARTHY. I field. Mr. McMAHON. I left the Benate Chamber at 7:30 p.m. What number of case is the Senator now on? Mr. McCARTHY. Iam now on case No. 34. Mr. McMAHON. In the cases the Sen- ator has recited, has the Senator simply read the derogatory information that was im ¢ha @lac ne bar the Bawnines atten nti . 24) MG AUTO UE LIS b4IT PCL GLYCO Ee to give the full contents of the file in each case? Mr. McCARTHY. I may say that I am only giving the Senate cases in which it appears clear that there is a definite Communist connection. If there is evi- dence in the file to show that a man was not a Communist, frankly, those files have not come to my attention. I am not sure that I get the Senator's thought fully. This man may heve been good to his wife and children and al} that sort of thing. What I am inter- ested in is: Does the file confirm what we felt we knew about him? In other words, does the investigative agency's file show that this man was in contact with Communists? Did be belong to Communist-front organizations? Did he belong to a Communist organization? Was he a foreign agent? T.assure the Senator that this is not a game. I am trying to give the Senate as clear @ picture as I can. I do not give the Senate anything that would indicate the source of the information. AsT said earlier this evening, I think it is impossible and very unwise for us to pass any jegislation providing that we could subpena, for example, the files of the FBI. I think if we did that we would aet the PBI back 10, 20, or 30 years. The only way we can safely tse these files ts with complete cooperation and under. standing. So, for example, when the FHI has cleared the staff of the Senator's commuttee. they can work with the Sena- tor’s committee. and give the committee the benefit of its investigation. Mr. McMAHON. Mr. President, will the Senator yield? Mr. McCARTHY, Yes, Iam glad to. Mr. McMAHON. The Benator under- stands that what I am trying to find out is whether the Senator has in his sion the complete file that is in the State Department, either the original fle—I take it the Senator does not have that— or a copy of it. Has the Benatcr both the derogatory information and any good | information that is in that file. Mr. McCARTHY. The Benator asks whether I have complete State Depart- ment files, The answer is “No.” Mr. McMAHON. Has the Senator the complete files in any one of the 6 cases? Mr. McCARTHY. Kighty-one cases. Mr. McMAHON. The Senator sald he had presented 34 cases go far. . Mr. McCARTHY. Yes. Mr. McMAHON,. I take it the Senator iz going through al) 81. I merely say that when the Senator reaches case No, @1 T hope to be home in bed. That ts beside the point. I want to find out from the Senator If in the cases he has read or (n the cases that are to be pres sented, the Senator is able to give the Senate both the derogatory information that is in the file and any contradictory information that indicates that the de- rogatory information may be in question. Mr. McCARTHY. Let me answer the Benator. Mr. McMAHON. That is a yes-or-no question. Would the Senator give this information if be had it in his posses- sion? Mr. McCARTHY. Does the Senator Want tha oncwar? Weresy waste sea Red Mr. McMAHON. Yes. Mr. McCARTHY. The answer is s that I obviously do not have photostats of all the files, Mr. McMAHON. Has the Senator got-—- Mr. McCARTHY. Let me finish. I do not have a counteresplonage group of my own. All I can do is pick up the in- formation, check, and make sure it & confirmed by something in the State De- partment file. The Senator understands I do not bave complete State Depart- ment files in these matters. I very tly wish I did. That is one of the és I hope one of our committees will succeed in getting. Mr. McMAHON. Mr. President, will the Senator yield? Mr. McCARTHY. In a moment, if may. If we are going to have a staff Work on these files the FBI should clear the members of that staff first to make sure that we do not haye Communists among its members. When that is s done, I hope the State Department will co- Operate fully, and will say, “Here are the files. Take 2 look at them.” I do not have that now. . - Mr. McMAHON. At last, that is the answer. Mr. McCARTHY. Yes. Mr. McMAHON. The Senator does not have in his possession any informa- tion which will indicate that that derog- atory statement is true. Does not the Senator realize that if I were to send