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Ward then asked if he was suggesting that the bullets were not fired from the same gun, and MacDonell answered, "I am sug- gesting that they were not fired from the same gun based upon the photographic evidence." And when asked whether he was abie to make any positive identification of the bullets as compared to each other, MacDonell replied, "I could not positively identify them as being fired from the same weapon." Finally Ward, in summary to MacDonell stated, "You leave me with the impression that the cannelures are different, manufacturer of the weapon is different, and that you are incapable of finding the specific characterirtics that would directly relate one spent bullet, u7, Kennedy, witn another, 54, Weisel." MacDonell replied, ee "That is Lor rect. - . Testimony of Dr. Noguchi Pee Supervisor Ward jis. called Dr. Noguchi to give his con- clusions regarding the ;*i™“imity of the murder weapon to the three gunshot wounds in Senator Kennedy. Noguchi stated, "As to muzzle distance, in my opinion, in the headwound, right mastoid, it was three inches fram tha wieght aar eli@htiv ana finahk to the andaa af SYS 28s POM wht Pignt Gar, Siignerty One inen vat Sage OL the right ear. The gunshot wound #2, that's a very close wound, I would not be able to tell because we ‘did not have an opportunity to Study the Senator's jacket, but I would say that's very close, nearly a contact wound, that means, the muzzle was very, very close. Gunshot wound #3 was about the same, very close.” Previous to this testimony of Dr. Noguchi, Ward read into the transcript the trial testimony of Valerie Schulte, Vicent DePierro, and Edward Minasian,.all of whose testimony stated that the Sirhan weapon was a fe-..tezet from Senator Kennedy at the time of shooting the Senator. With this foundation laid in the transcript, Ward then asked Noguchi regarding the proximity of closeness between the muzzle and the Senator's body. Ward questioned that Noguchi's testimony indi- cated one inch, one-and-a-half inches, to three inches, virtually point biank range, whereas the trial testimony indicated two or three feet being the muzzle disStance. Ward asked Noguchi, “When did you become aware that this was a point blank range? Was it before the trial?" Noguchi replied that -it was on Friday, June 7, 1968, that he testified at the Grand Jury as to muzzle distance. Ward then stated in the record that the "District Attorney's Office has witnesses who placed Sirhan five or six feet in his body distance from the Senator, and muzzle distance two or three feet away. Was the District Attorney's Office aware of the discrepancy between the testimony of their witnesses of the muzzle distance as opposed to your findings?" Noguchi mentioned the concern of one Deputy District . Attorney about the apparent discrepancy and then replied, "I do not know. whether _ they (the District Attorney's Office) knew or not." - 36 -