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fet JOHN L, LY IS, BT JL. INTERVIS * ITH I think that there was a regular mceting of the local held the night that that announcenent was made i_ the on tinue papers, but I an not sure. JT vas not at that meoting. The next mecting I did attend. T ras rorking “ith a brick layer at that time, and did not see the men often, JI had neard that “ad been talking to sone of the old men about sritching to the Oy ro not Inor tho it vas. it that necting that I did attend, they discussed thc possibility of stitching wmions, and whet tould happen nov that Eisholf was running Mine 4. ‘41 of the men Imev that line 8, which EXLshoff vas running had been signed up rith the Wi. There was soue talk that night . avout svitching unions, anc also about rhat we could do to get our jobs. I know I thought, and sox of the other nen thought that Fishoff vould never open ifine 1, because liinc 4 is a long mine, and it rould be caster to tako the coal out of Itine a, through the ?line 3 shaft. That night vho was aske re could force Rishoff to sive us our old jobs. He told us that night that he understood that the National “abor Relations Act ras such that it vould not be necessary for Elshoff to hire us back, because it was a nev omer operating the mine. I think that this statonent of Spas as much to do as any vith the men switching over. to the lr. There had been sone discussion among the men that night about run- ning “fine B and Minc uw as one mine. JI do not recall exactly, but I think that there vas sono talk that night thet sone of the men did not think that Mine f. vould be opened unless it vent Uf. That remark vas made fron the floor’ at the mecting, but I do not recall who said that, The men seemed to think, ond I did 30, that there had been so much troulble at Iline B, that re rould have to g¢ UP before Elshoff vould open the mine again. Therc did not scem to be any talk thon about Hishoff favoring the UM. over the PHT. "That night, they talked about sending a committee to Elshoff to telk about rhat he vas going to do vith the men at Mine 4. I do not know wheth r a comittec vas actually sent that might or thether it vas just talked about. I think that Sy ::: on the committe, but I do not romomber Tho else Tas on it. I t this conmittce decided to act on its on after the necting. “That sanc night, after I left, I vas told later, SY and cane back to the hall, and there was a fight, and some of the nen fot hurt. I do not kno about that for sure, but 1 do knor that at the next meeting, on Sunday, I heard sae of the men say that they had been against the WS because they had sone thugs running the union, and then ve had soac of our otn in the PI, vho verc trying to keep us from going over to the Wn. "I do not knov personally that happened after that. TI got to Tendering and called Ray Edmunson and asked him what the set up vas, - 575 «