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i + ad INTERV WITH s interviewed at Springfield, Illie nois, by Specisl agents Sectember 14, 1943. He 1s omploye ino "a" os ao digpere svands English well, but his momory is bad ond he would not make a sutis= feotory witness.e He stated he hes never been arroestod.e "Springfield, Ille Septe 14, 1943 - "I, Springficld, Tlle, meke the To im ’ und oe acaerea eee I know to be Special agents o edvrel Bureau C Vestigotione J make it without feur of threat, foros, or pronise of any kind. "I wos born in I um omployod og oO diggor at the Mine ‘a", 1 * "I first started working in cou} mines in about I joined the Mnited Mine Workers of «nericu Union in Springficid in about I sturtod to work ot the Mine %." in about _ 1932 1 doine) 8 Progressive Mino Workers of ameriou Unione entire loool of UNT changed to PM. end thit is why I dide I ounnot renenber why, we ohongods "In tho early fell of 1941 I reud thot ELSHOFF bought Mine A" fran RYal and I thought wo would heve trouble ct "4." liko thero had been ct Mine "B", I didn't attend Pa. meetings und the only neeting I went to softer ELSHUFF bought Mine ™." wus ane Bunday ut the Elks Club. The men told me I would have to join UM! if I wanted to kcep ny jobe I do not renember who told ne this but thoy wero non I worked withe I wont to this necting at tho Elk's Club of ny om froe will tnd no one forced or threatened mo in uny waye I voted to go ovor to IMW bocause I did not want to lose my job ct Mino “A" and beotuso I wus afroid wo would have the eane trouble at ‘a" os thoy had ot "B", ond I was too old tc wont to fight or get beot ups I hoard rumors thet tho conpany ocul4 vporate Mine "a" by houling coul thru Mine "B". I don't renonber very much that tock pleoo m this Elk's Club nectinge ; "lI wos sotisfiod with Pus end would hove proforred to stay Pua, but I joincd NM to keopg ny job und avoid troubles. Conditions are - S75 = tarts cancnaih deme deintatatariehtee Tittinsamamedhdiiala aden Tina ctheienion, finds Sette 2 dak ieee niet citi woe Ne ee ate ae a een a eT Be rn sree -