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2 Re: JOHN L. LEWIS, ET AL * INTER ad (. Illinois, by $ oe a Ta :: September 7, 1943. icici ever been a ted -y his life. He is the owner of this business and it was noted that he is an dove liirent persons ii his testimony is needed, it is felt that he would make a good witness. lee Spring? 7 ' geen Sept. 7, 1°43. a give this free and voluntary statement to who are known to me to be Special Agents “TIT was borr. a citizen thru my dad 2 : a I started at Mine arouns or so_ I guess Elshoff & UMW. got along 0.k.but there were preferences riven to certain cases when they came up. I recall that some U.M.y. men pot fired before 1932. In 1932 I wanted to change over to P.M.A. but did not take any active interest or part in going over, Elshoff & P.M.4. got along fine when they first started in 1932. I was a timber-man & worked from 4:39 F.iL to 1 A.M. so I didn't come in contact with mén at the mine & did not knor what was poing on all the time. I don't recall of Elshoff complaining about F.i.A. or wanting U.M.. P.M.A. men were satisfied with the way che F.2.4. officials ran the union and it was run by the men and not by the officers. I did not attend many meetings for P.M.A. as I was working nights. dm repacd to the P.M.A. men going to jail for the bombing She men felt they were framed & 1 do myself. ‘shen we were under U1. they would frame men to gain their point if necessary & I recall of 4 men being fired & this was before 1932. As far as I know F.M.A. officers handled the money alright & I con't recall any unusual number of sneci a} saecescom SPT CECA ASoeoa nts Tonever saw saw UOT miaks hone Boor five out literature nucde nev Uesea ite picket wLne o OP Fl OnG i1teracuure before the tline B closed. But there were about 8 or 10 men who vere P.MLA. but they tried to get the P.M.A. mento go back , never contacted me as I was on night shift. Some of them were - Schrelevious; Pasquale; Fete Carter; Frank austin; & one; Tony Plotch; Cotton Ananias; John Sirtout; Geo. & Emory Jacaway; Chas. Bohannon and Jin Hale. I don't recall of any parties that Elshoff gave for U.L.W. or UMW. for Elshoff. ‘In spring of 1937 when our contract ran out our P.M. officials told us they had a temporary agreement & that it was retroactive ~ 380 -