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s Re: JORW L. LEWIS, ET aL INTERVIE. “ITH "Regarding the reletionship betwoen Elshoff and Locel 54, fy between Septsmber, 1932 and April, 1937, everything c went along alright to start with, but about from 1956 on, Elshoff aeomed to favor the UM. and wanted to deal with thon and act the PUT. At this time I did not take an activo part in union affairs euc am unavare of the methods which may have been used by Elshoff to influence the men to join the UL. I do mow that in January, 1940, after the minc had re-opened, on threo consecutive days I observod about fourteon miners, whom 1 knex to be members of the P¥., apply for work in the mine offices, but were refused with the statement that thore was no work for them. They were at thet timc members of Local 77, PM. I also observed thet during the same period, a numbcr of cthor minors wero hirod by the mine, oll of whom wero mombers of the OWT. ; . "ss to the rciztions betwoen PM? officials and Pi] minors, I feel the mombers were satis2izd and felt tho union was being run woll. There was no eplit in the PE. until the DAY and Elshoff attempted to persuade the Pit; miners to join the bit-. J say this beccuse several mincrs, whose names I do not remember, told me that thoy were arproachsd and threatened if they BUN AAU SC pr et tee DN ed ond crt ewe weer DS VERS did not join the DM’. This twas accomplished by bringing in men by UM’ who pretended to be working, but in reality they spent their time contacting the miners to get then to join the UM.. Thesc men told the miners they had better change their minds and join the UMi. Some of these men had not worked in the mine until the troyble started. Thoir names are oe ------ ie ----- i. but I cannot recall a € NOME 5 » e Wen, whose las me isted above worked with the. following twelve men who were holding PE; union cards, but who formed a UMi local and tried to connect the minora with the Dei: Joe Albanese, Andrew av wie po Se oO ee ee eases fae eee pases Se Schrelevious, Dominic Pasquale, Pete Carter, Frank Austi®;-Tony_Ploteh, John Anenias, John Sirtout, “George Jacaway, Emory Jecaway, Charles “Bohannon, Jdmes Hak. a *[ith reference to the relationship between Local 54 and UM. from September 1932 to April, 1957, I do not recoll that UM. hod a picket line or distributed any literature, but the UM7 did have organigcrs in the Minc B who I mentioned previously in this statoment. Those organizors worked harder on ‘on the minere who could not apoak good English and it has been my Bae Le Wade eee eek SR ee ee ee ov VS santas enes =e understanding that some throats were used and s incrs were beaten up as Gs Mr. prossure. I recall that who reside of and is employed by weil a wero among those beaten up by ors crseead residos at Springficld Tllinsis t - 262 - i t