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a ‘ - . vf "ae +” PCa cea, a A ai a ha : _ that he was very ignorant and would make a very poor witness, Agents ‘or time he advised that he had never been warrested read the statement to him and he signed it by an "x". hen signed his name also to the statement, which is as follows: Springfield, lile, hugust 30, 1943. "I, | a a. this free and volun ary x 2 F who are known to me to be Special d4gents o the i gation, U.S. Department of Justice. No threats or promises have bean made Mee ‘ and came to the United States 7 I have not worked for sbout dbout yoars ago or more I joined the ad Mine tcrkers a4 mine inSpringfield, Ill. aid I. never held any union office. | "T was born “I worked at Mine B in Springfield, Ill. about years in all. Before PMA came in at Mine B UMY got slong alright with the management, JI chenged over to PRA beceuse ell the others did and it did not make any differcnee to me as I had to work to live and it didn't matter to me which union I belonged to. No one forced me to join PMA then in 1932. I always would join whatever union most of the men belonged to. I dontt know Elshoff at all as I never saw him altho I worked for him and I don't. know of any trouble he may have had with anyone and I don't know anything at all about. him or how he ran his mine. “RY did not know of anything wrong with PM4 union as they secmed to ‘ me to be same as UM or other unions as it didn't matter to me which union wee in. d&t the mino in 1937 we were told thore was no work and we all wont home. I don't know why there was no work and I don't know why there was a” strike. No work so everybody went home. JI never signed no paper for any= body when the mine closed in 1937, Nobody ever came to my home or saw me at the mine about joining over to UM@ from PMA. No one bothored mo or threatened me to join over. I never was at Mine B when they had picketing or were have ing the sit down strike. I never went back to Mine B at all till they opened for good. I don't know about any UM. spios at the Mine B, Nobody every bossed me there. TI never voted at any National Labor Relations Board in the Armory in Springfield, TLL. I would go to PUA meetings once in a while but not all the times, as I never understood what was going on because I don't