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e.. EPOMMese De vRowm<¢? Zo am & Demosrate. ao thet Le a different topic. I showle like to say that we find here a peculiar phenomencn.,. nanely, that we talk = lot about seliticou, we reed about politics, augtx but if you see, for instance, the pesuit of a number of atadles whieh have been made we are really concerned only with private affairs, Most Americans, 90%, are concerned with health, soney, comily problosas.. ean! they are not soncerned with the matters of soclety « « with politics, How you sight ask what do 7 sean by ‘conserned! « [ eee mean the kind ef thins over which you lose aeme hours of sleep. ZALLACE? You're not suggesting that there is anything wrome with being concerned over health, family affairs, money affairs... Sounds perfeetiy naTUPALes RiMM: Well, &t¢ acunds perfectly natural to us,. it might not sound so naturel to someane else. It is always ‘my! and ‘wet and fay fanlly! and tmy money? and 'my sar! rather then to express as a reality ay relatednens to othera, =. ay solidarity to othera.. and ay real sense of reapansibiiity fer what happens to me and the rest of the world and the rest of the people in this sountry, WALLACE! Vhen we talk about men are we talking puralys. if 1 may inter jects sbout United States mar. and woman, of western man, or world mant FROMM: I would say there is aan as such.. I would say, although thie is not f foyer papnlar concept... there is sack ¢ fiotec ne beeen veture ir generals There is such a thing as a basic tondithen of humsen existence, but Enda sicuas nature never eprears in itself because it always appears as molded by « particule culture or society. The strange & fa that most socicties azsune nelvely that Seag the way they are is human Be . WALLACE’ You say that you are @ Danserat, and I dont¢ want to hear about that particulerly. < mm talking about our political Lesderscef whatever political RUG. FROMM: I would say without being facetious that 1 think whet we mins are men who have ab the same tine convictions, emction in which theses eonvictions are rooted an’ « dean penetration of the problems of scclety.. ours er othersee and of the forces which operate within them. WALLACE? é@nd you feel we mins them on both aidea of the political fenne? _ PROM: Oh yes, in this respect I am quite neutral, 1 thinkwe mise thea on poth sites, WALLACE! How do you account for it, or are you acocuBtting for it in our discussion? FRoMM: For the same raason wiichwe talked about a minute aga. That we are | so concerned with inatrumentalitios that we ere not sufficiently soncernead == with diseevering or uncavering the essence, the causes, the fortes whievare underneath the eurfece. WALLACE: Let's teli now about man in relationahip with his intellectual | development, Aldous Huxley, who wee cur #* least week on thin program, has written a series of articles called * ties of Freedon" which will) ie shortly be appearing in s Long Island newspaper, NEWSDAY., he says that our = entertainments, particalariy television, are robbing 4cericans of our sapas ity 5