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‘ oF Nd i el ie el « +, ‘. > “- ~S © oe a ~ SIE eR ge Re cerestt ITTY Ritter mepy erempene ey panes tm elt ie a NF She T EE pap eh mtg 832 ORGANIZED CRIME IN INTERSTATE COMMERCE Mr. Hauzer. Your politics*have been, well, you have been da the other side of the fence from O'Dwyer genenilly; have you notf: Mr. Lirskr. Well, I wouldnt say that, but in 1941, as you sy, I did all I could to elect LaGuardia mayor. Mr, Hatter. By and large you have been a Republican? Mr, Lipsxy, Yes. : Mr. Hatter. Now, after O'Dwyer was elected, at the end of] 1945, did he ask you to perform a service for him? Mr. Lirsry. Yes. Tees Mr. Hatter. And what was that service? Mr. Lirskr. Well, it was during. the campaign, one of the evenings he stopped at the house and we discussed the things he did durin, the evening, campaigning, and he said, “By the way,” he says, “ had an unusual experience today.” 42079 I said, * aw hat Was 1t:* He said, “Mrs. Roosevelt called at the Commodore,” that was the campaign—— Mr. Hatter. Could you talk a little louder! I don't believe even the members of the committee are able to hear you. Mr. Lipsey. Yes. He told me that he had a visit from Mrs. Roose- velt The Cratruan. From w m! Mr. Lirsky. Mrs. Elean oosevelt, and she told him that he was going to be elected by a laqe majority, and after he is elected she thought he would be 4 a greater man if he cleaned out Tammany. That Was about the time he departed to go home. He lived about fave blocks away from my house. h Mr, Hatter. You mean he told you that one evening at your ome Mr. Lirsky. Yes; and his reply, he told me, was, as the President couldn't do it, when he was Governor, he couldn't do it; that was quite a contract that she was handing him. She said, “No, General; you are a great man and you can do it. You will be a greater man when you accomplish it.” That was the full talk on that subject. Mr. Hatter. But did he do anything about it after he waselected? wn Bir. Lirskr. Yes. @ Mr. Hatter, What did he dot Mr. Lirsxy. He called me up and asked me to come in to see him. Mr, Hariry. When wasthis! Can you place the time i Mr. Lirsxy. Well, it was in 1946. e weather was a little warm, I remember that, and I went to see him and he said, “I would like to have vou go up and see those bors up in the Copacabana——” Mr. Hatzer. Now, where was this conversation! At City Hallt Mr. Lipsky, At City Hall, at City Hall. Mr, Hatter. And he told you he would like you to go see those boys in thexopacabana! irs Lreskr. That's ri nt Mr. Hatter. Go ahea re Mr. Lirsxy. And give pat the message that I want them to su plant the leader of Tammany Hall, and also to revoke the rule of synthetic votes. I told him that I thought it was foolish to inject himself into a thing of that sort, that he would have an awful lot to do with being mayor. - Ge - 909.33 - OI