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Bake ye a. & “But surrender ace, atances would have been PHILBY “matrow squeaks, and falriy Constant pressure of one kind OF another. ta elreum- a@ much eater strain than resistance to m. em. Phitby ate : i with a hearty “ 8Dpetite — sm oked = salmon, Ww. sturgeon. chicken Kiev. * a at . a Leaders , . blake is also here in Moscow «” after his sensational escape : 4° ‘from Wormwood Scrubs where ° “9 thing ’ &the We talked about changes in al ‘ British Intelligence since his ure. He ventured that T 4". , should discuss this with George *, ° Blake, ;he Was serving a 40-year _ | MNtence for espionage, - “If you want to know about " changes Initiated after Blake's appearance,” gaid Philby, “he will Perhaps put .¥ou on to a suitable informant.” .. He went on: “George Witnessed those changes from close quarters,” Then, with a - chuckle: “I wonder how he escaped from prison?" On the leadership of British intelligence Philby Said: “Certainly the British Govern- ‘ment have great difficulties in finding the right men to run their Intelligence bervices, * “Military men have never really shone in this field. “Iam = surprised Americans were not better led, Allen Dulles of the Central Intelligence Agency was too easily won round. He Wanted _ to be persuaded, ©) "You would discuss some- with him and just when you thought the answer was due he would say, "Well, eentle. men, I think we will adjourn now and reconvene later at my .convenience.' " . < . -.. *“Trials’ Philby revealed that he faced two secret: “trials in July 1952 over the Burgess-Mac'ean’ affair, The first was conducted by Helenus Milmo, Q.C.—now a High Court judge—after M15 had spent nearly a year prepar- ing a case. Philby survived: The second, and hitherto unreported, grilling took place the next day at Ph Ib?'s London home and was conducted by William Skardon an ex-police- man high up in M.L5. “Skardon was unquestionably the trickiest cross-examiner ¥ have met,” sald Philby, “and I Temember sitting there waiting _- © parry his trick questions.” According to Philby it was Marcus ipton, MUP. who eventually saved hin. In October 1955 Mtr. Lipton stood up in the Commons and Named Philby as the third man behind the defection of Burgess. that the: ’ . f P » : FROM PAGE ONE HILB' | BEING VERY FRANK ABOUT— Macmillan: — oe ‘Forced ‘to clear The Express: r * - oe fe. me a better turn if he had wanted to. “By naming me he virtually forced Harold Macmillan to clear me, because it they did not have any evidence — obvious concrete lenty of - circum- stantial seuft but nothing hard.” added: “Of course, to be cleared by the Prime Minister Was g gift.’ Philp: recalled that the Daily Express had been “ buzz ike an angry bee" for months. “Even at my Press conference after the Prime Minister's Statement,” he said, “ Fememiber it was the Express’s Donald Seaman who - Gave me the hardest time with the edgiest questions.” Mr. pipton's intervention, said Philby, gave him a Seven- Year bonus in the apy business. - Showdown He left London then-to begin his spell in Beirut, Lebanon— which, he said, was one of the least pleasant of his life, He was still Wworking—apart from the Russians—for British Intelligence, which had ber- suaded the Foreign Office to ask The Observer news aper to employ Philby as tts Middle Fast correspondent, Tt was not until! 1961, when British Intelligence sent an officer to ask Philby if he was working for the Russians. that he decided to call it a day. He defected to Russia because he “felt real danger was closer than ever beforé.” - Over coffee and more wine Philby said nhilosanhirslty «#2. as | -thetr shoulders at a oo... “Edgiest quest a . _ _ a Ee ge mo. was. grilled ty ‘thirties, The rulers of most of the capitalist countries are more : 60phisticated today “But would they have con- ed so much {if they had not been compelled to look over r workers" State grown in 50 years from Tulnous chaos to the undisputed status of a super-Power 9 * Then Philby talked about current events, "Must Americans run amok indefinitely in Asia, South Atneri¢a and elsewhere, seriously endangering ws all?" @ asked. “Must a Labour Government in Britain support them indefin- itely to ensure American props for whe battered £ sterling 7” “Are Harold Wllson-Brown- Callaghan- more astute, or indeed Socialist. than the appalling trio of MacDonald- Snowden-Thomas ? * He mused on this question of his, staring into an empty coffee cup, “The question answers itself," he sai finally, _ The 30’s Philby's political mentality Was, fs own words, irtevoe- ably fixed in the 1930s. Thirty- five years and 1,500 miles’ . distance have not changed his ¢ mind. “T was a rectly genuine Socialist in 1931." British polities and set ‘another fateful course. “The Prleinten ae he said, * but . in that split me effectively from . me on: background of my” world and the lessness of ex: deal with it. “What a di was,” he said. s and smoothin; atill) resplende “The Sritain Baldwin, Chamb ruled by sir. Ceniral Europe . by oligarcn:c, by the rise of 3 “And there half-reluctant war, preferabi. Soviet Union 2 best. solution tc “The nunec: which 1 too de the workers. The frightful. “It became cl. drastic remedies Gutside the frar, ventional bourse Of the Spanis which he was spondent, he Communist agen for me to see 1] the young patric Was all setback Stalingrad” (int which the Ru defea the Ger: 30 Aft: asked Phi: thought of Ruse which to live “Iam having love affair with said. suddenly mi: We have «