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+ FD-302a (Rev. 10-6-95) = Y _ , . } | é 315E-HO-1448534 Contintiation 6f FD-303 of _ ‘Ali Hasan’ Al-Majid ~ ct ,0n 04/04/2004 _ ;Page - 50° -- Al-Majid denied that he ordered family members of "unrepentant saboteurs" living in government-controlled areas be forced to join their "saboteur kin" in the prohibited areas after the date of the ‘census. As previously stated, he did issye an order to deport ~ first-degree relatives of saboteurs prior to the census. However, Al-Majid stated there was no. connection between that order and the national census. Al-Majid stated there were no parameters placed on the ages of, the "saboteur kin" or on the ages’ of the males ordered deported, including the age ranges between 12 and 50, 17 and 50, or 15 and 70. Al-Majid characterized northern Iraq as "backward." For. the census process, many translators were needed. Most residents of northern Iraq. received information about the census and understood the instructions. According to Al-Majid, census takers did not travel into prohibited areas, which were under control of the Iraqi Army, and conducted their work only in cities and villages. Individuals were required to make themselves available to census ‘takers in order. to be counted. If an individual failed to participate in the census, Al-Majid stated, ."He would be the loser." Without being counted, such an individual would have no citizénship. and would not be allowed to send his children to . school. However, other services, such as electricity and food from the government, were unaffected. Al-Majid stated that an individual could register for the census according to their ethnicity and religion, whether Arab, Kurd, Yezidi, Christian, Jew, etc. In northern Iraq, a person was not required to register only as an Arab or as a Kurd, and. no other ethnicity. ‘ According to Al-Majid, an individual was not deemed an army déserter simply because of failing to register for the census. ~ He noted that most Kurds neglected their military service. ; ‘According to ari RCC decree dated 1984/85, a Kurdish individual was required to serve only three months versus the normal three years of military service. As a result, some individuals registered themselves as Kurds during the census. Al-Majid recalled that four or five families in Mosul, whom. he described as Jarjaris and as Arabs, registered as Kurds. This “error” was.caught, however, and the individuals were directed to. register their true ethnicity. Al-Majid was shown and read a portion of a copy of a document written in Arabic, described as RCC decree number 10, | dated January 3, 1988, signed by Saddam Hussein, which amended RCC