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5s wozeat IL. discussing this with JOHN ANGLIN, it was apparent that he was already aware of the possibility of escaping through the ventilation area in the roof. They discussed the possibility of breaking out of Alcatraz and swimming to the mainland. They considered cutting a couple of the front cell bars and possibly going up the left front part of the cell area to behind a steel cage door and working on this as a meg pS ot exit, then decided that this could not be accomplished. [gum said that b7Z he had told them that he had cut out of cemen etore at other of tine} said that they could go out through the roof through e ventilator hole as he felt that he could get the lid off, It was then apparent that they had to get out of the back part of their ceil into the utility corridor to get to the roof. The only possible escape area at the back of the ceil was through a 6 inch by ¢& inch iron ventilator. It was decided that this hole could be enlargec by takingwouti ihe cement to approximately a 10 inch by 13 inch hol o volun- teered that he had previously checked through library books while at variovs institutions and had ascertained cement would start disintegrating at from 500° to SC6°,; obtained some element wires simiiar to those in a toaster. He does not recall the source of these owever, he recalls that this occurred in October of 1561 plugged this wire into the electric ovtlet in his ceili, but hs could not get enough heat through it to deteriorate the cement. He had discussed this, aS well as the escape with JOSN ANGLIN and CLARENCE ANGLIN, brother of JOHN, and who resided in ceil #152 in "B" Block, of tine Sli = it could be done so liorg as they had plenty NO JOM ANGLIN said that he had a spoon which he had sharpened and which somewhat resembled a screw driver. JON ANGLIN started poking around the side of the ventilator in his cell and he made a littie bit of headway int cement. This was about December of if61, and by this tim had discussed the plan with FRAIX MORRIS, #1441-AZ, who was in cell #133 in- "B" Block and who was to work with them. CLARENCE ANGLIN ob- tained a spoon and made a few dents in the cement next to his ventilator. The four of them got several spoons, the source of these spoons being not recalled, and by beveling them Similar to a screw criver, started to make holes in the cement. It was decided to start the first hole a short distance from the top left-hand corner of the ventilator grille. They started to work shortly after the 5:15 or 5:30 PH count in the evening and would work until 9:26 FM. TAO