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whereas I believe that Angleton does agree with Golitsyn. Now as far as our time in the Agency together was concerned, I did come to feel that Angleton went a little bit overboard in his acceptance of some of Golitsyn's views and some of Golitsyn's opinions. I thought he went a hit far with them. On the other hand, he is entitled to his opinion and I was entitled to mine. I would have said, and I do say, that this idea that .. because Golitsyn believed that there was a penetration . of the Agency did not necessarily make it so. I to this day do n o t believe that the CIA was penetrated, or has been penetrated, at any significant level. I'm not arguing now about contract agents in Washington who were doing spot jobs for the Agency who may have been recruited by the Soviets or may not have been recruited by the Soviets. I know there is some controversy that swirls around that. But I'm talking about staff members of the CIA who were working in the Clandestine Services or in the DDI in positions of responsibility where they would have been a useful penetration for the Soviets. I simply don't believe that ever happened, and I don't believe to this day that it ever happened. One would have to present me with the name and a l l the details about an individual before I would accept it because I just don't think it ever happened. I don't know what's happened since I 7