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concerns, because apparently he was very concerned about this. There's some indication that Lawrence Houston talked with you about this as well. Do you have any recollection of either of these gentlemen coming to you and saying, "This is something . . ."? . He 1 m s': I don't have any recollections at all in point of fact. But what you say makes eminent sense to me. It seems to me they are people that would come to ne about this case. Because here we had held this man for this long period, i f you want to put it this'way, in durance vile. We had interrogated him. We had done everything that we knew how to do about him. And it was getting to a place where it was likely to turn into some sort of scandal if we didn't regularize his situation. I have no doubt that Osborn came to me, Houston came to me, and maybe others came to me. But certainly whatever the recommendations from various members of the staff were, they certainly convinced me that this was the moment to try to get this matter tidied up, and it seemed to me that Admiral Taylor was an admirable person to be put in charge of the examination of it because he came from outside the Agency and had no particular prejudices in the case one way or the other. And was a very fair-minded man. Hathaway: And eventually did do the things that needed to get it cleared up. Helms : Right. 11