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( Oo ®@ IRV KUPCINET SHOW, SATURDAY, MARCH 28-29, 1964 KUPCINET: Tonight on our panel we have MALCOLM X, the Number 2 man tn the Black Muslims and the most controversial figure in the nation today; VANCE PACKARD, Journalist; Senator PAUL DOUGLAS; WILLIAM ROBERT MING, Jr., Attorney and prominent Chicago civic leader; and RICHARD KIM, Novelist. KUPCINET: MALCOLM, how do you feel about this civil rights legislation? You've taken a strong and elegant stand on many of the issues today when you see a man like Senator DOUGLAS who is bending every effort as are many many citizens Gf this country of both black and white. Yould you feel that this cause has somewhat weakened your overall charge against the white race? MALCOLM X: Well, the talk about civil rights legislation and bringing civil rights legislation into existence are two different things. I was in Washington, I think it was Thursday, I listened to the debate that was taking place and for a debate to take place in 1964 in a country that’s supposed to be for freedom and justice and equality for ail of ite citizens the debate in itself doesn’t look too good for Uncle Sam. It shoulda’t even exist. There shouldn't be any preliminary battle. The freedom should already be a living thing for everybody in the country especially when Uncle Sam today is referring to himself am the leader of the free world. It just doesn't exist, KUPCINET: Well we know that there is a great evil. (inaudible) You belong to an organization so-called the Black Muslims, the Islam Faith, that condemns Practically ali white people. MALCOLM X: I wouldn't say, you can't use the word condenn, let's say that an analysis (inaudible) education that exists in America and that the analysis in itself is condemnation now inatead of the whites as you say referring to ALL INFORMATION CONTAINED Searche? $72 HEREIN S NCLASSPIED i -l-} Peres DATE ack, BY eral p99. VV) Foe